Belatedly chiming in (sorry, I'm always a few weeks behind in reading this list).
Here's the webpage the picture of the pocket came from: http://www.vads.ahds.ac.uk/collections/pocketsofhistory.html They don't have a date for the specific pocket being discussed, and their image database won't be online until 2008 (hello? it's 2008 already!), but they do mention that their pockets date from 1700 to 1800. The shape and embroidery on this pocket is very typical of pockets seen in the 1700s (as in, there's dozens of similar extant examples, many of them American). So, I'm afraid it's really unlikely that this pocket dates to the 1600s. To the person who asked about making a pocket like this one: it's most likely crewelwork, and you can find diagrams of very similar pockets in (and I may need to verify): "Fitting & Proper" by Sharon Ann Burnston "Costume Close-Up" by Linda Baumgarten et. al. "18th Century Embroidery Techniques" by Gail Marsh and lots of pretty pictures at: http://www.vam.ac.uk/collections/fashion/pockets/collections/index.html If there were tie on pockets *before* the 1700s, well, it certainly could be possible, after all, these pockets couldn't have spontaneously appeared in the year 1700. :) Claudine (who collects photos of 18th c. pockets :) ) ----- Original Message ---- Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 15:40:46 -0500 From: "otsisto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Italian Ren gowns and purses/pouches To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I remember reading that it was early 1600s but I am not 100% sure of the year 20. It was list in either Elizabethan or Jacobean. De -----Original Message----- At 00:02 06/05/2008, you wrote: >I think it was from the Museum of London site. The pocket I believe said >that it was listed at about 1620. There are very few pockets from pre1600s. >Presently I can not find the site. The embroidery seems very 18th century to me - are you sure it was 1620? I have looked at a large number of pockets, and pictures of, for a small project I am working on, and have never seen one dated that early. Some of the MoL items are not always dated accurately, or with a very wide range of dates, as I have found while working there, as a volunteer. Suzi >De > ***************************************** Kate Bunting Cataloguing & Data Quality Librarian University of Derby _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list [email protected] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list [email protected] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
