Quoting Cin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> If there were tie on pockets *before* the 1700s, well, it certainly >>> could be possible, after all, these pockets couldn't have >>> spontaneously appeared in the year 1700. :) > >> There are pockets in 16th C. Italian Paintings -- there just aren't... > > Yes, Allesandro Allori frescoes show several. Very practical & > unadorned; they dont appear embroidered, one appears to have some sort > of braid covering a possible seam line. The pockets are not shown on > principal characters in the frescoes, instead they are on the birthing > room staff, for example. Look for the gals with their sleeves rolled > up.
See, my take on that is they show the existance of pockets. Theirs are "plain" and "utilitarian" just like their clothing -- compared to those of the gentry and/or nobility. I think that you could take the differences between the clothing and extrapolate that the pouches would probably be adorned as well. Look at the shifts, for instance. We have lots of pictorial evidance of working-class women, but none of them have the heavily embroidered shifts/partlets that you see on upper-class women. > >> any extant pockets that I know of -- although, niggling in the back of >> my brain is an extant pocket that dates from pre-1650. > > Museo del Traje, there is a 1575-1600 pocket in silver? gold? bullion > on formerly white silk. Unknown provenance. Perhaps someone reads > Spanish better than I do. Check their website & look for "bolsa" and > "indumentaria histórica". Yeah, that's it. :-) I new somebody would know. Susan ----- Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College Division of Science and Math http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list [email protected] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
