We are used to certain "rules" in dress, but sometimes ethnic (anything not English) will break those rules. The image you showed looks like a jacket. There were stays with detachable sleeves that are meant to be an outer garment, up to the middle of the 18thC. For 17thC, there are boned jackets that appear to not need stays underneath. For stays and a wool jacket, it depends on the structure and fit of the jacket — does it need a few bones to be smooth? You may decide to do this after it's made.

The pattern draft someone put on Flickr is lifted from _Corsets & Crinolines_ by Norah Waugh.

I made one of those. The problem I had was, with the armscyes so low, the lacing gapped at the bustline due to the pressure of the armscyes. I made mine with cording, and with stiffer boning (or boning down the center front, at least) perhaps that would not happen.

     -Carol


On Aug 9, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote:


Hi, I am going to do an early 17th century woman's middle class dress, location: Bohemia (today's Czech Republic, east of Germany if someone doesn't know), time: 1618-1648. I want it to look like this:

http://link.library.utoronto.ca/hollar/digobject.cfm? Idno=Hollar_k_1716&query=Hollar_k_1716&size=large&type=browse

I have some questions regarding the bodice and stays. First of all, I assume I should use stays (I prefer stays to boned bodices). Then, if I use stays, shall I do some light boning to the bodice as well? It'll be light wool lined with linen.

I don't really know how shall the stays look like. I have only found this: http://www.manchestergalleries.org/the-collections/ search-the-collection/image.php? EMUSESSID=bf812423145fbba6ba4d441b7ec2ec13&imageirn=400682&r=51445954 from this era, but I'm not sure about the style...I thought I should do some traditional type of stays with lacing at the back...do you have any pictures of other surviving garments (corsets) from the 1st half of 17th century?

The bodice should be pointed, cut at the waist, probably with tabs, and with something like princess seams. I think I should keep to this pattern:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hkoslov/1354051356/in/ set-72157601949667448/

For the stays and bodice, but again, it's a bit too late.

What do you think? Thanks,

Zuzana









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