Hi Heather,
I don't get on here much these days but this caught my eye because I
was pulling my hair out over it lately. I have seen, a couple of
manuscript images and I believe I might have at least one of them
*somewhere* of weavers actually weaving the diagonal stripes. But I
will be damned if I can figure out where I have seen them. I believe
one was in a "book of trades" type manuscript, one might have turned
up in one of Shelly Nordtorp-Madson slides that she showed us in
class one day, and I'm sure one is one of my manuscripts or
manuscript related books but I haven't been able to track any of them
down yet. The problem with collecting those sorts of things is you
wind up with a lot of books. Now I'm not saying that those are proof
either way, but they open the door of possibility that it is fabric
woven that way rather worn bias-cut. Personally, I have trouble with
the bias-cut garment theory as well purely on the garment evolution
issue - what did it come from, and what did it become
afterwards? Just my two cents... If I ever do turn up the pictures,
I will send them to you!
Cheers,
Danielle
At 11:47 PM 10/20/2010, you wrote:
With the caveats that artistic representations aren't always
intended to represent actual clothing construction, and that
representations of clothing decoration are sometimes intended to
convey symbolism rather than fabric structures, and that there are
multiple ways to create any particular decorative effect in fabric ...
What are people's thoughts on the garments depicted in the early
14th c. Manesse Codex that have diagonal striped designs? Woven as
diagonal stripes? Print? Woven as straight-grain stripes and cut
on the bias? Symbolic interpretation of armorial designs not
intending to represent actual garments? Some other option?
How is a given hypothesis affected by other stripe-like designs in
the manuscript? (Primarily horizontal stripes, but also chevron designs.)
Here's a link to an image showing a variety of these designs, just
for reference.
I'm contemplating the plausibility of the bias cut hypothesis, but
I'm failing to convince myself, given that the reasoning that would
support it would also conclude that the diagonal-stripe and
horizontal-stripe garments in the manuscript represent two entirely
different ways of cutting garments that are otherwise identical in depiction.
Heather
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