Thank you. I wasn't sure how much was between the two passages. :) LOL! I am beginning to think the two fedoras bit is a nonsensical dream sequence and we're trying to see the illogical logically.
This one is supposed to be Sarah. You may have found it already but it was the only Sarah in a fedora picture I could find, from a French blog entry from 2011 on "the trendy fedora." http://maniadeguria.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/sarah-bernhardt.jpg Although the brim does look a little small. Fedora or not, I think she looks lovely! And, I'm loving that coat. If nothing else, you gotta check out the cut of the sleeves. :) I think the wiki page labeled Sarah as a "notorious cross-dresser." So maybe the manly noir men in are indeed wearing a gender appropriate hat. :P Sorry I wasn't more help. If the writer is truly talking about a styling aid, I'm totally at a loss! Thank you for bringing up this topic though. I'm enjoying it immensely! :D On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Elena House <exst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Those were both part of one continuous passage; in context, she's getting > ready for bed, then waking up in the middle of the night--no hats involved! > In the previous paragraphs, the writer was talking about how girls from > Runover (which seems to be some sort of prep school or college) feel > superior because they're too high-minded to crimp their hair, but spend > just as much time brushing their hair as they would have spent crimping it. > > > Anyway, in context, definitely not a hat type of fedora, which makes it all > the weirder! :) > > It was published in 1886, although it's written as a series of letters; > this one is dated January 1885. > > -E House > > > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:35 AM, Sybella <mae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hm. I see what you mean. In the first reference, the comparison is made > > about the time spent brushing hair vs brushing the hat clean. And in the > > next, she's using the hat to hide her unstyled hair because she was too > > "lazy" to set it. She was saying that Charlie would be disappointed with > > her for not having her hair done. But it does say two fedoras, and that > she > > fell back asleep with one side undone. Unless she's splitting it down the > > middle, doing a quick twisted bun on each side, and putting the hat > over, I > > don't know how she'd get two hats on her head. > > > > What year was that written?? Maybe there was a styling hair tool called a > > fedora. > > > > And I'm loving the Sarah B story. I'm going to have to research that > > tonight. :D > > > > I would like to add this though. If you're planning on wearing a hat, you > > do have to style your hair with the hat in mind. The hat influences the > > style, for sure. I'm not sure if there was ever a hair style that was a > > "fedora style" but depending on the shape of the hat, or where it sits on > > the head, styling it "right" is everything. > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Elena House <exst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Thanks; lovely resources. I'm definitely familiar with the fedora as a > > > hat; I've just never heard of it as a hair styling technique before, > > hence > > > my curiosity! > > > > > > Thanks to Google books and the Ngram viewer (hugely useful for > > etymological > > > study), I've managed to track down a possible link. The fedora was > named > > > after the hat that Sarah Bernhardt wore during an 1882 play called > > Fedora. > > > (Meaning that all those manly men in noir movies were wearing a girl's > > > hat...) Perhaps the hairstyle she wore during the play ALSO started a > > > fashion for a particular style of curls, and the girl in that passage I > > > quoted was setting her curls into the particular style that Sarah B > wore > > > during the play; it sounds like it must have been one really tight curl > > per > > > side, covering the forehead. (Sadly, I've been unable to find a photo > of > > > Sarah B in the original fedora hat with her fedora curls.) > > > > > > Also, I've come to the conclusion that 'crimp' and 'curl' were being > used > > > as interchangeable words. > > > > > > -E House > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 11:37 PM, Sybella <mae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > OH!! I forgot! I was going to give you one more link...old videos of > > > women > > > > doing their hair. I love this! > > > > > > > > http://frazzledfrau.tripod.com/titanic/hair.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Sybella <mae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > What a fun topic!!! Love vintage hair styling! And since my hair > wont > > > > hold > > > > > a heat curl for more than 35 minutes, I've explored a lot of > no-heat > > > curl > > > > > options. :) > > > > > > > > > > A fedora is a particular style of hat. It was quite the norm to > give > > > hats > > > > > a little treatment at the end of every use, especially in the case > of > > > > > suede, felt or velvet, where a brushing not only knocks the dirt > off > > > but > > > > > refreshes the surface texture. People did this with garments too to > > > get a > > > > > little more wear out of them between washings, or to keep > > non-washable > > > > > garments clean. > > > > > > > > > > There are quite a number of ways to achieve curls, without modern > > > curling > > > > > irons, and women have been doing it since the dawn of time. To me, > > > > "crimp" > > > > > implies more of a folded, zig-zag type curl than a round curl. Or > at > > > the > > > > > very least, tight and small curls. In the 1880s, many irons existed > > for > > > > > hair styling many of which would achieve a crimped look. Even a > iron > > > for > > > > > clothes could be used to curl hair. But I agree that the author is > > > > implying > > > > > that it is a set and air dry style...and that the starring > character > > is > > > > > being lazy with her beauty routine. LOL! > > > > > > > > > > What you suggested are all definite possibilities. While bobby pins > > > are a > > > > > newer invention, standard hair pins have been around since before > the > > > > birth > > > > > of Christ. In addition to pinning curls to your head like 40s pin > > > curls, > > > > > hair pin curls could be achieved in the same way that hairpin > crochet > > > is > > > > > done; take a small strand, wrap it back and forth on the needles, > pin > > > the > > > > > whole thing in place and let it dry. > > > > > > > > > > A twist set creates a more "crimped" look too. Either you take > small > > > > > sections of hair and twist the sections together tightly. Or you > take > > > one > > > > > section and twist it around something else. Then, once it is fully > > try, > > > > you > > > > > carefully un-twist. It's all the same process, whether you use only > > > your > > > > > own hair or wrap around something else. > > > > > > > > > > The twist out set is done today, usually on kinky curly hair but > even > > > > > those with straight hair can achieve a similar look. Do a web > search > > > for > > > > > "twist out" to see what I'm talking about. :) > > > > > > > > > > Or watch this girl. She uses drinking straws and bobby pins to > > achieve > > > > > no-heat crimpy curls. I love it! > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBik0XlFZKE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for something older (1700s), check out this lady's video on > paper > > > > > curls. I know you were leaning toward no-heat styling, but there's > a > > > > > catalogue in the beginning of the video that makes this worth > > watching > > > > for > > > > > your book research. A few pages of hair tools are shown. > > > > > > > > > > As an alternative to rolling the hair around a heated rod, one > could > > > have > > > > > wrapped the ends in paper, then rolled up the hair and folded the > > paper > > > > > over the ends to hold it in place. Then, iron it with a flat iron, > > let > > > it > > > > > cool and pull off the paper to reveal springy curls. I had to hunt > > but > > > > > here's a youtube link demonstrating it. > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP9PJsY5__4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Elena House <exst...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> I'm writing a novella set in 1887 with three teenage girls as the > > main > > > > >> characters, and as a result I've been doing research into the > slang > > & > > > > pop > > > > >> culture and so forth of the time period in New England. The 1880s > > are > > > > Not > > > > >> My Era, and I've run across a term-and-a-half that confuse me. > > > > >> > > > > >> Here's the passage, from "The Familiar Letters of Peppermint > > Perkins", > > > > >> with > > > > >> the terms and phrases ***starred***. > > > > >> > > > > >> -------------- > > > > >> I did begin that very night by not ***doing up any crimps.*** I > was > > > > going > > > > >> to wear my hair like Clara's. She never wears any crimps. > Runover > > > > girls > > > > >> never do, though they have never advanced any sufficiently good > > reason > > > > to > > > > >> me for not crimping it, for they all look like old fuds with it > so, > > > and > > > > >> they spend just as much and more time brushing and smoothing it > > ***at > > > > >> night > > > > >> than I do on my "Fedoras."*** > > > > >> > > > > >> Well, I was going to say I didn't do up any; but about three > > o'clock I > > > > >> woke > > > > >> up and remembered that I had promised to go skating with Charlie > > Brood > > > > out > > > > >> to Jamaica the next morning, and I knew any amount of > > self-improvement > > > > >> wouldn't make up for the absence of crimps in his eyes, so I just > > > snaked > > > > >> out of bed and ***up with two "Fedoras;"*** but no sooner had I > got > > > them > > > > >> up > > > > >> than my conscience began to reproach me for my weakness, and > after I > > > got > > > > >> back into bed I determined that even Charlie Brood's criticisms > > > > shouldn't > > > > >> influence me, and I began to take them down; but you see I was so > > > > sleepy, > > > > >> getting up so suddenly (it all was like a dream), that I only got > > one > > > > down > > > > >> before I dropped to sleep, and the next morning you ought to have > > seen > > > > >> what > > > > >> a fright I looked. You know how high my forehead is, and shiny. > > > Well, > > > > >> there I was with all that shining expanse and ***one little bob on > > the > > > > >> left > > > > >> temple***, and I overslept on account of getting up so, and was > > late, > > > > and > > > > >> before I could do anything Charlie Brood was after me. > > > > >> -------------- > > > > >> > > > > >> The crimps part I only find partially confusing; I'm familiar with > > > > >> crimping > > > > >> as something one does to curl one's hair with hot irons, but not > as > > an > > > > >> overnight treatment. Is this a reference to putting one's hair in > > > rags? > > > > >> Leaving it in braids overnight for braid curls? Something with > > > > hairpins? > > > > >> Or...? > > > > >> > > > > >> The one that really confuses me, though, is the "Fedoras." What > on > > > > earth > > > > >> are these? The context makes it seem pretty clear that this is > > either > > > > >> another method of creating curls overnight or another name for > > > overnight > > > > >> crimps, but what is the actual method, and what does the result > look > > > > like? > > > > >> Or, does the name perhaps refer to the location of the resulting > > > curls, > > > > >> rather than the method? > > > > >> > > > > >> Any ideas? > > > > >> > > > > >> -E House > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> h-costume mailing list > > > > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > h-costume mailing list > > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
