I'm -1 on including it in core. It wouldn't be of use to the vast majority of users, so it would just be mandatory overhead for all those installs.
And the IRC discussion would be better served as a different thread, as it's a much larger issue. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Owen Winkler <[email protected]> wrote: > > Matthias Bauer wrote: > > > > So, I propose that we bundle the live help plugin in the 0.6 download. > > (It would probably be a good idea to extend the plugin so that it opens > > the chat in a separate window, because people will be confused otherwise > > when they navigate the admin and the live help is gone. Also, join/part > > hell.) > > > > What do you think? > > Definitely -1. > > The IRC channel is of late typically not very respectful of visitors. > Mibbit has the ability to display some backlog, and there's no telling > what talk or links will appear in there even if people are civil when > obvious new Mibbit users show up. > > Even if we included a warning saying that the speech in the channel > might be completely inappropriate in your business or home setting, I am > still somewhat uncomfortable adding more plugins that depend on 3rd > party services directly to core. > > It had been our plan to remove the Flickr and Viddler plugins from core > as soon as it was possible to easily install them via the Habari UI. If > that's the case, this should apply easily to Mibbit as well. > > This brings up the tangential issue of IRC conduct lately. > > I have absolutely no problem using the IRC channel as a social gathering > place, but regulars there need to keep in mind that users are told to > come to that channel for help. I simply can't imagine the image that > we're portraying to church website builders, serious business people, > and parents of web-savvy children who come to IRC for help on our > recommendation to do so. Some of the stuff going on there is outright > shameful. > > It's harrowing that people who supposedly have the authority to keep the > channel in check are often the ones responsible for the noise. > > Lately, the channel has become a festering link dump. I'm personally > sick of seeing tons of unsolicited links to whatever latest found > YouTube video looks "cool". At least one out of every three of the > recent round of "unexplained photos" links seemed inappropriate for the > channel. While I admit to appreciating some of these links for their > simple humor, I don't believe that they're always appropriate for the > kind of environment that would encourage tentative users to return. > > One might say that the links don't hurt anyone; that nobody complains. > I have been off IRC lately for the past couple of days, specifically > because the signal/noise ratio has dropped below my willingness to > filter it. But more importantly, when I did return last night, I > received more than one complaint via private message about the > appropriateness of some of the content in the channel. > > I would like to see some steps taken to correct this. I think that IRC > has been a great resource for the project and a great way for > participants to communicate both about it and informally to build online > friendships within our project, and I would like to continue to use it > that way. It might be useful to write out a loose code of conduct so > that there are some boundaries for what is acceptable. We have a bunch > of new channel ops -- It should be easier for them to point at some > "rules" when someone is being abusive or puerile. > > Anyway, all of that leads to my solid -1 for Live Help as a core plugin. > I think it's a good plugin, and useful, but I think we at least need > to nail down the social issue before committing that heavily to it, and > even then, its 3rd party dependence is disturbingly heavy. > > Owen > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/habari-dev -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
