-1. I think it's a good plugin, and have used it. Freenode kicks Mibbit off disturbingly often, though, at least they have in the past. I suppose that comes of relying on a thrid party provider that uses yet another third party source. There is also the issue of how many people are actually familiar with using irc. Most, I think, would be more familiar with a mailing list or a forum, both of which leave a more permanent record than irc.
Rick On Mar 31, 11:26 am, Chris Meller <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm -1 on including it in core. It wouldn't be of use to the vast majority > of users, so it would just be mandatory overhead for all those installs. > > And the IRC discussion would be better served as a different thread, as it's > a much larger issue. > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Owen Winkler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Matthias Bauer wrote: > > > > So, I propose that we bundle the live help plugin in the 0.6 download. > > > (It would probably be a good idea to extend the plugin so that it opens > > > the chat in a separate window, because people will be confused otherwise > > > when they navigate the admin and the live help is gone. Also, join/part > > > hell.) > > > > What do you think? > > > Definitely -1. > > > The IRC channel is of late typically not very respectful of visitors. > > Mibbit has the ability to display some backlog, and there's no telling > > what talk or links will appear in there even if people are civil when > > obvious new Mibbit users show up. > > > Even if we included a warning saying that the speech in the channel > > might be completely inappropriate in your business or home setting, I am > > still somewhat uncomfortable adding more plugins that depend on 3rd > > party services directly to core. > > > It had been our plan to remove the Flickr and Viddler plugins from core > > as soon as it was possible to easily install them via the Habari UI. If > > that's the case, this should apply easily to Mibbit as well. > > > This brings up the tangential issue of IRC conduct lately. > > > I have absolutely no problem using the IRC channel as a social gathering > > place, but regulars there need to keep in mind that users are told to > > come to that channel for help. I simply can't imagine the image that > > we're portraying to church website builders, serious business people, > > and parents of web-savvy children who come to IRC for help on our > > recommendation to do so. Some of the stuff going on there is outright > > shameful. > > > It's harrowing that people who supposedly have the authority to keep the > > channel in check are often the ones responsible for the noise. > > > Lately, the channel has become a festering link dump. I'm personally > > sick of seeing tons of unsolicited links to whatever latest found > > YouTube video looks "cool". At least one out of every three of the > > recent round of "unexplained photos" links seemed inappropriate for the > > channel. While I admit to appreciating some of these links for their > > simple humor, I don't believe that they're always appropriate for the > > kind of environment that would encourage tentative users to return. > > > One might say that the links don't hurt anyone; that nobody complains. > > I have been off IRC lately for the past couple of days, specifically > > because the signal/noise ratio has dropped below my willingness to > > filter it. But more importantly, when I did return last night, I > > received more than one complaint via private message about the > > appropriateness of some of the content in the channel. > > > I would like to see some steps taken to correct this. I think that IRC > > has been a great resource for the project and a great way for > > participants to communicate both about it and informally to build online > > friendships within our project, and I would like to continue to use it > > that way. It might be useful to write out a loose code of conduct so > > that there are some boundaries for what is acceptable. We have a bunch > > of new channel ops -- It should be easier for them to point at some > > "rules" when someone is being abusive or puerile. > > > Anyway, all of that leads to my solid -1 for Live Help as a core plugin. > > I think it's a good plugin, and useful, but I think we at least need > > to nail down the social issue before committing that heavily to it, and > > even then, its 3rd party dependence is disturbingly heavy. > > > Owen --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/habari-dev -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
