So amputee toilet-seat porn is out... What other rules do we think would be appropriate?
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Ali B. <[email protected]> wrote: > I suggest making a small list of definite kick-banners. That way it would > be easier for ops to make a decision (or rather, not having to make any). > The rest is left to the discretion of the op and the context of the > conversation. > > I am not suggesting any zero-tolerance-esque strategy here. But we need at > least some action. > > Ali B. / dmondark > http://awhitebox.com > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Chris Meller <[email protected]>wrote: > >> The conversations often overlap, so I don't think having a second channel >> would really help. Invariably one would end up being unused. I also don't >> think off-topic conversation actually gets in the way of Habari-related >> conversations on a regular basis, so it's really just the issue of content - >> not the fact that the content exists. >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:21 PM, John Edmondson <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> mabey have a #funhabari channel ? >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Chris Meller >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Branching off this conversation into its own thread so we don't clutter >>>> an unrelated issue. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Owen Winkler <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> The IRC channel is of late typically not very respectful of visitors. >>>>> Mibbit has the ability to display some backlog, and there's no telling >>>>> what talk or links will appear in there even if people are civil when >>>>> obvious new Mibbit users show up. >>>> >>>> >>>> I think "not respectful" is perhaps not the best choice of words. The >>>> content may not be appropriate for all visitors, but it's not as if anyone >>>> has been rude to a visitor (at least not that I've seen, and I'm generally >>>> around a good part of the day). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>> >>>>> This brings up the tangential issue of IRC conduct lately. >>>>> >>>>> I have absolutely no problem using the IRC channel as a social >>>>> gathering >>>>> place, but regulars there need to keep in mind that users are told to >>>>> come to that channel for help. I simply can't imagine the image that >>>>> we're portraying to church website builders, serious business people, >>>>> and parents of web-savvy children who come to IRC for help on our >>>>> recommendation to do so. Some of the stuff going on there is outright >>>>> shameful. >>>> >>>> >>>> Particularly in the last couple of days we have had a rise in the number >>>> of links to pictures and similar content that I personally would not take >>>> an >>>> interest in or share, especially with strangers. Toning those down would be >>>> fine with me. >>>> >>>> On the other hand, I think it's important to recognize that obviously >>>> not everyone agrees with my definition of "appropriate" content (otherwise >>>> they wouldn't be sharing these links either), so we need to respect the >>>> opinions of others. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> It's harrowing that people who supposedly have the authority to keep >>>>> the >>>>> channel in check are often the ones responsible for the noise. >>>> >>>> >>>> Again, I think this comes down to the meritocracy concept and the idea >>>> that other people have differing views. Unless you're being verbally >>>> abusive >>>> or spamming, no one feels comfortable taking an authoritarian role and >>>> telling anyone something's unacceptable. >>>> >>>> >>>> Lately, the channel has become a festering link dump. I'm personally >>>>> sick of seeing tons of unsolicited links to whatever latest found >>>>> YouTube video looks "cool". At least one out of every three of the >>>>> recent round of "unexplained photos" links seemed inappropriate for the >>>>> channel. While I admit to appreciating some of these links for their >>>>> simple humor, I don't believe that they're always appropriate for the >>>>> kind of environment that would encourage tentative users to return. >>>> >>>> >>>> Agreed. While I don't think we should expect the channel to be 100% >>>> business, I think we may have passed that fine line lately. Encouraging >>>> everyone to filter themselves ever so slightly more than they have been in >>>> the past week or two would probably be a good thing. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> One might say that the links don't hurt anyone; that nobody complains. >>>>> I have been off IRC lately for the past couple of days, specifically >>>>> because the signal/noise ratio has dropped below my willingness to >>>>> filter it. But more importantly, when I did return last night, I >>>>> received more than one complaint via private message about the >>>>> appropriateness of some of the content in the channel. >>>> >>>> >>>> No one has complained in the channel. I would encourage anyone who does >>>> have a problem to speak up rather than bottle it up or funnel it to you. >>>> Like I said, it's meritocracy. There is no final authority and no one >>>> should >>>> expect you to take on that role. If there's a problem, speak up. I >>>> seriously >>>> doubt anyone would be anything but receptive, particularly about this kind >>>> of thing. >>>> >>>> At the same time it's not necessarily the channel's fault if you no >>>> longer find it valuable enough to hang around. We'd love to have you around >>>> again, but if that means killing off the community atmosphere by requiring >>>> that only Habari ever be discussed I don't think it's a good trade. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I would like to see some steps taken to correct this. I think that IRC >>>>> has been a great resource for the project and a great way for >>>>> participants to communicate both about it and informally to build >>>>> online >>>>> friendships within our project, and I would like to continue to use it >>>>> that way. It might be useful to write out a loose code of conduct so >>>>> that there are some boundaries for what is acceptable. We have a >>>>> bunch >>>>> of new channel ops -- It should be easier for them to point at some >>>>> "rules" when someone is being abusive or puerile. >>>> >>>> >>>> As usual, I don't think rules or policies are what we need. With the >>>> number of differing opinions and viewpoints we have I don't think we could >>>> ever reasonably expect to come up with any substantial list we could all >>>> agree on. We're all adults, we should be able to tell for ourselves what's >>>> over the top for our relaxed IRC environment. At the same time I think it's >>>> the responsibility of everyone else to help point out things that they >>>> don't >>>> deem as appropriate. >>>> >>>> IRC should be fun. I don't think we've ever seriously gotten in the way >>>> of shop talk, but that doesn't mean we don't need to tone down some of the >>>> more risque content that's been increasingly popular lately. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ==========About============ >>> Website can be found at www.mumbles-uk.com or www.john.edmondosn-uk.com >>> Msn is [email protected] >>> irc://irc.borknet.org/#alt-f4 (if you use IRC) >>> skype is john.j.edmondson >>> ======================== >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/habari-dev -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
