I apologize if I offended you, Les. I'm known to come off a bit abrasive, but I was actually asking legitimately, not to kill the idea. I didn't know how you saw the system working to solve your problem, so I asked.
As Chris said, we realize the wiki sucks, we just haven't been able to find anything that sucks less than MediaWiki. If you've ever used a wiki that you thought sucked less, please track it down so we can steal it... ;) On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Les Henderson <[email protected]<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', '[email protected]');> > wrote: > Confused, and annoyed, it seems, says the purported troll. > > I only suggested it could be altered in any way you like in order to be a > new single Wiki page with links to it from the navigation bar. Help people > find stuff without having to ask the location of a special all pages > generator. I guess I am both blind and the other thing. > > So, while I found both the user and dev groups both interesting and > informative, and the IRC, until recently, an insightful and amusing look > into your diligent and tireless efforts, I shall no longer be troubling > either you or Owen with my presence at either. Break out the beer! > > No matter. I at least got you talking about things that might improve > Habari other than its code and still wish you nothing but success. > > > > On Monday, January 28, 2013 5:03:11 PM UTC-5, Chris Meller wrote: > >> I'm a bit confused... What exactly does this sitemap accomplish? >> >> Where would it live? >> How would it be updated? >> How would anyone know to find it? >> How is it substantially different from the one MediaWiki already >> generates <http://wiki.habariproject.org/en/Special:AllPages>? >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Les Henderson <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Okay, here's something that could be modified as desired and added as a >>> page with links to it from all wiki pages. >>> >>> I imagine you don't want it all to be used as is, but I think it's a >>> reasonable starting point. >>> >>> On Monday, January 28, 2013 3:37:20 PM UTC-5, Les Henderson wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm not saying it's terrible, so much as noting a disconnect between it >>>> and the more friendly blog portion. There are plenty of inline links on the >>>> main wiki page to the relevant content I might want to read but most >>>> people, at least me, rely on some form of navigation rather than trying to >>>> guess what to search for. >>>> >>>> The main Wiki page has all the stuff there somewhere but once you leave >>>> it, good luck. I'm finding great stuff, three weeks in, but only randomly >>>> on a general Google search. I should be enticed into reading the entire >>>> wiki without having to open a hundred tabs, is all. >>>> >>>> All I'm asking for is for someone to add another half dozen items to >>>> the Navigation box. If I knew how, I would. >>>> >>>> I realize you rightfully don't want to take any steps backwards and >>>> would rather have perfection than any quick fixes but isn't a temporary >>>> bandage marginally better than an open wound that festers for years >>>> unattended? >>>> >>>> If I'm willing and foolish enough to keep unintentionally annoying >>>> anyone with such suggestions, this must be a real bothersome issue for me, >>>> one that I noticed day one and which should be easily fixable. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, January 28, 2013 3:01:13 PM UTC-5, Chris J. Davis wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Oh right, yeah wiki's suck in general, and ours is pretty terrible. We >>>>> are wanting to replace the wiki with something better, we just haven't >>>>> found what that better thing is yet. >>>>> >>>>> Suggests welcome! >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 28, 2013, at 1:56 PM, Les Henderson <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Okay, I see where I'm going wrong here. The main site blog has very >>>>> fine navigation and access to the announcements, themes and plugins, >>>>> though >>>>> it would be nice to have the "Powered by Habari" at the bottom somewhere. >>>>> >>>>> It's when you get sidetracked on the Wiki that I find all those >>>>> features missing. So again, Habari blog good, Wiki bad. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, January 28, 2013 2:27:58 PM UTC-5, Chris J. Davis wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a search URL on the project site: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://habariproject.org/en/**s**earch?criteria=release<https://habariproject.org/en/search?criteria=release> >>>>>> >>>>>> As you can see it technically works, there just isn't a text input >>>>>> for it. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 28, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Les Henderson <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I see the dilemma there. If you seriously don't want anyone to >>>>>> find the plugins by mistake then perhaps a robots.txt Disallow would be >>>>>> in >>>>>> order then. >>>>>> >>>>>> My apparent inability to easily find anything on the hp.o site >>>>>> related to announcements still stands, as regards navigation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps someone else would be kind enough to experiment trying? Using >>>>>> the Search function isn't allowed. I'd love to be proven wrong. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, January 28, 2013 1:18:17 PM UTC-5, Chris Meller wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's never been installed because it would only include the /en/ >>>>>>> blog, which doesn't actually include much of anything useful. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The sitemap that Les created includes all of /dist, which isn't >>>>>>> really desirable - the plugins and themes listed are out of date. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So basically there's no sitemap currently because there's no way to >>>>>>> generate a comprehensive one that will stay up to date and actually be >>>>>>> authoritative, like it's supposed to be. Everything is indexed properly >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> search engines anyway, so there's never been much need to put in the >>>>>>> effort >>>>>>> required to come up with something to "fix" that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:49 AM, rick c <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, January 28, 2013 10:06:50 AM UTC-5, Les Henderson wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've created a sitemap for hp.o that you might consider adding >>>>>>>>> since it is usually standard practice. It needs to be renamed just >>>>>>>>> sitemap.xml and uploaded to the root directory. Feel free to make >>>>>>>>> your own >>>>>>>>> if it's unsatisfactory. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd also really like to see some kind of navigation to make it >>>>>>>>> easier for people to find their way around. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Les, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for this. 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