I vouch for the fact that Meller can be abrasive, much as I love him :)

On Tuesday, January 29, 2013, Chris Meller wrote:

> I apologize if I offended you, Les. I'm known to come off a bit abrasive,
> but I was actually asking legitimately, not to kill the idea. I didn't know
> how you saw the system working to solve your problem, so I asked.
>
> As Chris said, we realize the wiki sucks, we just haven't been able to
> find anything that sucks less than MediaWiki. If you've ever used a wiki
> that you thought sucked less, please track it down so we can steal it... ;)
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Les Henderson <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> Confused, and annoyed, it seems, says the purported troll.
>
> I only suggested it could be altered in any way you like in order to be a
> new single Wiki page with links to it from the navigation bar. Help people
> find stuff without having to ask the location of a special all pages
> generator. I guess I am both blind and the other thing.
>
> So, while I found both the user and dev groups both interesting and
> informative, and the IRC, until recently, an insightful and amusing look
> into your diligent and tireless efforts, I shall no longer be troubling
> either you or Owen with my presence at either. Break out the beer!
>
> No matter. I at least got you talking about things that might improve
> Habari other than its code and still wish you nothing but success.
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 28, 2013 5:03:11 PM UTC-5, Chris Meller wrote:
>
> I'm a bit confused... What exactly does this sitemap accomplish?
>
> Where would it live?
> How would it be updated?
> How would anyone know to find it?
> How is it substantially different from the one MediaWiki already 
> generates<http://wiki.habariproject.org/en/Special:AllPages>
> ?
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Les Henderson <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> Okay, here's something that could be modified as desired and added as a
> page with links to it from all wiki pages.
>
> I imagine you don't want it all to be used as is, but I think it's a
> reasonable starting point.
>
> On Monday, January 28, 2013 3:37:20 PM UTC-5, Les Henderson wrote:
>
> I'm not saying it's terrible, so much as noting a disconnect between it
> and the more friendly blog portion. There are plenty of inline links on the
> main wiki page to the relevant content I might want to read but most
> people, at least me, rely on some form of navigation rather than trying to
> guess what to search for.
>
> The main Wiki page has all the stuff there somewhere but once you leave
> it, good luck. I'm finding great stuff, three weeks in, but only randomly
> on a general Google search. I should be enticed into reading the entire
> wiki without having to open a hundred tabs, is all.
>
> All I'm asking for is for someone to add another half dozen items to the
> Navigation box. If I knew how, I would.
>
> I realize you rightfully don't want to take any steps backwards and would
> rather have perfection than any quick fixes but isn't a temporary bandage
> marginally better than an open wound that festers for years unattended?
>
> If I'm willing and foolish enough to keep unintentionally annoying anyone
> with such suggestions, this must be a real bothersome issue for me, one
> that I noticed day one and which should be easily fixable.
>
>
> On Monday, January 28, 2013 3:01:13 PM UTC-5, Chris J. Davis wrote:
>
> Oh right, yeah wiki's suck in general, and ours is pretty terrible. We are
> wanting to replace the wiki with something better, we just haven't found
> what that better thing is yet.
>
> Suggests welcome!
>
> On Jan 28, 2013, at 1:56 PM, Les Henderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Okay, I see where I'm going wrong here. The main site blog has very fine
> navigation and access to the announcements, themes and plugins, though it
> would be nice to have the "Powered by Habari" at the bottom somewhere.
>
> It's when you get sidetracked on the Wiki that I find all those features
> missing. So again, Habari blog good, Wiki bad.
>
> On Monday, January 28, 2013 2:27:58 PM UTC-5, Chris J. Davis wrote:
>
> This is a search URL on the project site:
>
> https://habariproject.org/en/**s**earch?criteria=release<https://habariproject.org/en/search?criteria=release>
>
> As you can see it technically works, there just isn't a text input for it.
>
> On Jan 28, 2013, at 1:23 PM, Les Henders
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