Ch?o b?n D?ng, M?t b?i gi?i th?ch r?t hay c?a David Tremblay, ho?n to?n c? th? l? m?t b?i vi?t hay. T?t nhi?n b?n c? th? d?ch n? v? trau tru?t n? m?t ch?t ?? tr? n?n d? ??c cho ??c gi? c?a t?p ch?. nghialt
2008/9/4 Phan Anh Dung <fanzung at gmail.com> > Ch?o b?c Ngh?a: > > T?m tr?n mailbox c?a HanoiLug th?y c?ng c? ch? ?? kh? sinh ??ng, l?m > b?i vi?t cho m?c "trao ??i, th?o lu?n" ???c, t?i copy l?i nguy?n v?n > b?c xem th? : > > <TRUONG HUAN:> > The more you use Microsoft the more of your nation money goes to the > US and other already developed countries. > > I think I'm not trying to defend MS, but we should consider these. > (BTW, if you don't agree don't take it seriously, sometimes I feel > very pleasurable to argue for... fun :-) ) > > In economic sense, free software is not really free. It is only free > for computer enthusiasts like us. With the masses, you have to spend > time deploying, training, supporting,... For example, Mr Quynh will > have to give classes each week, we need to educate teachers to teach > about oOo in a professional manner which is very time and resource > consuming, we have to provide OpenOffice support (seriously because > many many of the people out there are nearly computer illiterate)... > We call that cost C1. Of course, paid software also have to do the > same, but it has C2 much less than C1 because Office is already > popular. It is an important factor because each time Office goes > wrong, a professor who is computer illiterate can find a friend who > are computer newbie to fix for him, but it would take him real money > if he can't find anyone. Let's say alone if he need to go to a class > which is 10$/course, and met difficulties with his computer 5 times a > year (for example he couldn't figure out how to display all the u* > characters in a document which his students sent to him), but 2 times > he can figure out by himself but 3 other times he gave up and has to > go to the computer service, = $5 each = $15. C1 = 0 + 10 + 15n. In > five years he will have to spend $85. > > With MS Office he has only 3 problems, and only have to spend $5/year > for support. If Office is sold for $60, in 5 years he will have to > spend C2= $60 + $0 + $85. And he meets less problems, and save a lot > of time - his _utility_ for the product is improved. > > Does that make sense? > > Or can you explain why Ubuntuforums is still using vBulletin? > > > <DAVIT TREMBLAY:> > > It makes sense only if you talk about home computing or amateurish > little deployment. But if you talk about gov't deployment or big > companies than the ball game is different. > > SO when you have a big deployment you think what will happened in 5 > years or 10 years. Then cost of owning 3000 ms-office licences you > shall upgrade every time a new version comes is humongous. You don't > have the choice because there's a monopolistic non-free non-open > document format that locks you in buying that precise office software. > > The urge to fix one problem NOW, must not remove the issue that the > problem lies with the document format and the fact that the > uncontrolled IT operation of the Vietnamese government is keeping it > in the dark age of computing by using non-unicode fonts. > > (why uncontrolled ? Because most IT officer within vietnam are not > aware of the regulation related to their field) > > Because of that we have a double lock in office software : the fonts > and the document format. > > Because of that you are proposing to keep MS-office on the short term > because some people are using fonts that should not exist. It is true > that some vietnamese companies are benefiting from the statu quo in > the use of non unicode font, and that makes OO.o more expansive to > deploy. > But if we were using a real standard format and unicode fonts we would > not be talking about that problem. We would be talking about how to > deploy OO.o efficiently > Laziness in front of change is a normal behaviour, but the solution to > that issue is simple, just convert all your documents before working > with them, and stop accepting documents that are not conformant with > strict criteria. > > It will take you few weeks your "document providers" will stop sending > you document. > > ... and start controlling your IT operations before big private > companies control them. That is deep, sound and grounded common sense. > > <TRUONG HUAN:> > OK That IS Persuasive. > Opened my eyes. :-) > > PADUNG > ====================== > > 2008/9/2 Minh Ngoc Le <cumeo89 at gmail.com>: > > V?o 19:05 Ng?y 01 th?ng 9 n?m 2008, Huan Truong <hnt7438 at truman.edu> ?? > > vi?t: > >> > >> Em th? g?i m?t b?i ??u ti?n ?? c?c b?c g?p ? v?/ho?c n?m ??. > > > > Ch?o b?n Tr??ng, m?nh xin g?p m?y ? nho nh?: > > > >> > >> h?u h?t c?c kho? h?c ??u d?y v? MS Windows, MS Office thay v? Open > Office > >> hay LATeX > > > > ?o?n n?y ??i s?nh kh?ng chu?n l?m, MS Windows th? ph?i so v?i Linux (c?ng > > ch?a ho?n to?n ch?nh x?c nh?ng d? h?nh dung h?n), MS Office so v?i Open > > Office th? ??ng r?i c?n LaTeX l? c? 1 th? gi?i kh?c. > > > >> Open Office hay LATeX [...] nh?ng ng??i b?n "r?nh m?y t?nh" c?a m?nh > c?ng > >> kh?ng d?ng LaTEX? > > > > Kh?ng th?ng nh?t. > > > >> S? kh?c bi?t v? uy?n chuy?n trong c?ch ti?p c?n v? gi?i quy?t m?t c?ng > >> vi?c ch?nh l? ?i?u m? r?t nhi?u c?ng ty ?ang tr?ng ??i v?o c?c sinh vi?n > >> t??ng lai. > > > > Ch?c l? nh?m ;-) > > > >> http://opensourcewindows.com > > > > M?nh mu?n g?i ? 1 trang kh?c r?t ??ng ch? ? l? Open source as alternative > > (http://www.osalt.com). > > > > Ch?c vui ;-) > > > > Ng?c Minh. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > HanoiLUG mailing lists: http://lists.hanoilug.org/ > > HanoiLUG wiki: http://wiki.hanoilug.org/ > > HanoiLUG blog: http://blog.hanoilug.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > HanoiLUG mailing lists: http://lists.hanoilug.org/ > HanoiLUG wiki: http://wiki.hanoilug.org/ > HanoiLUG blog: http://blog.hanoilug.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.hanoilug.org/pipermail/hanoilug/attachments/20080904/4a62a569/attachment-0001.htm
