2008/9/4 Nghia Le Trung <letrungnghia.foss at gmail.com>: > Ch?o b?n D?ng, > M?t b?i gi?i th?ch r?t hay c?a David Tremblay, ho?n to?n c? th? l? m?t b?i > vi?t hay. T?t nhi?n b?n c? th? d?ch n? v? trau tru?t n? m?t ch?t ?? tr? n?n > d? ??c cho ??c gi? c?a t?p ch?. > nghialt Hu?n n?i v? Migration Cost, l? m?t ph?n trong TCO[1]. Gartner ?? nghi?n c?u kh? ??y ?? TCO[2].
C? th? v?i Windows vs. Linux, MSO vs. OOo, TCO c?a ai r? h?n th? ph? thu?c v?o t?nh h?nh c? th?. IMO, short-run, Windows, MSO( ph?n m?m ??ng, th??ng m?i) r? h?n, nh?ng v? long-run, Linux, OOo( ph?n m?m m?, mi?n ph?) s? ph?t huy t?c d?ng. B?c David ?? c?p ??n Open Format, hay Open Standard[3]. ? g?c ?? v? m?, v?i m?t n??c ICT th?p v? ngh?o nh? VN, s? d?ng Open Format s? d?n ??n d?n ch?( h?n ch? trong CNTT) v? VN s? ?t l? thu?c v?o n??c ngo?i( c? th? ? ??y l? MS). [1] Total Cost of Ownership, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_cost_of_ownership [2] http://amt.gartner.com/TCO/MoreAboutTCO.htm [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_format > > 2008/9/4 Phan Anh Dung <fanzung at gmail.com> >> >> Ch?o b?c Ngh?a: >> >> T?m tr?n mailbox c?a HanoiLug th?y c?ng c? ch? ?? kh? sinh ??ng, l?m >> b?i vi?t cho m?c "trao ??i, th?o lu?n" ???c, t?i copy l?i nguy?n v?n >> b?c xem th? : >> >> <TRUONG HUAN:> >> The more you use Microsoft the more of your nation money goes to the >> US and other already developed countries. >> >> I think I'm not trying to defend MS, but we should consider these. >> (BTW, if you don't agree don't take it seriously, sometimes I feel >> very pleasurable to argue for... fun :-) ) >> >> In economic sense, free software is not really free. It is only free >> for computer enthusiasts like us. With the masses, you have to spend >> time deploying, training, supporting,... For example, Mr Quynh will >> have to give classes each week, we need to educate teachers to teach >> about oOo in a professional manner which is very time and resource >> consuming, we have to provide OpenOffice support (seriously because >> many many of the people out there are nearly computer illiterate)... >> We call that cost C1. Of course, paid software also have to do the >> same, but it has C2 much less than C1 because Office is already >> popular. It is an important factor because each time Office goes >> wrong, a professor who is computer illiterate can find a friend who >> are computer newbie to fix for him, but it would take him real money >> if he can't find anyone. Let's say alone if he need to go to a class >> which is 10$/course, and met difficulties with his computer 5 times a >> year (for example he couldn't figure out how to display all the u* >> characters in a document which his students sent to him), but 2 times >> he can figure out by himself but 3 other times he gave up and has to >> go to the computer service, = $5 each = $15. C1 = 0 + 10 + 15n. In >> five years he will have to spend $85. >> >> With MS Office he has only 3 problems, and only have to spend $5/year >> for support. If Office is sold for $60, in 5 years he will have to >> spend C2= $60 + $0 + $85. And he meets less problems, and save a lot >> of time - his _utility_ for the product is improved. >> >> Does that make sense? >> >> Or can you explain why Ubuntuforums is still using vBulletin? >> >> >> <DAVIT TREMBLAY:> >> >> It makes sense only if you talk about home computing or amateurish >> little deployment. But if you talk about gov't deployment or big >> companies than the ball game is different. >> >> SO when you have a big deployment you think what will happened in 5 >> years or 10 years. Then cost of owning 3000 ms-office licences you >> shall upgrade every time a new version comes is humongous. You don't >> have the choice because there's a monopolistic non-free non-open >> document format that locks you in buying that precise office software. >> >> The urge to fix one problem NOW, must not remove the issue that the >> problem lies with the document format and the fact that the >> uncontrolled IT operation of the Vietnamese government is keeping it >> in the dark age of computing by using non-unicode fonts. >> >> (why uncontrolled ? Because most IT officer within vietnam are not >> aware of the regulation related to their field) >> >> Because of that we have a double lock in office software : the fonts >> and the document format. >> >> Because of that you are proposing to keep MS-office on the short term >> because some people are using fonts that should not exist. It is true >> that some vietnamese companies are benefiting from the statu quo in >> the use of non unicode font, and that makes OO.o more expansive to >> deploy. >> But if we were using a real standard format and unicode fonts we would >> not be talking about that problem. We would be talking about how to >> deploy OO.o efficiently >> Laziness in front of change is a normal behaviour, but the solution to >> that issue is simple, just convert all your documents before working >> with them, and stop accepting documents that are not conformant with >> strict criteria. >> >> It will take you few weeks your "document providers" will stop sending >> you document. >> >> ... and start controlling your IT operations before big private >> companies control them. That is deep, sound and grounded common sense. >> >> <TRUONG HUAN:> >> OK That IS Persuasive. >> Opened my eyes. :-) >> >> PADUNG >> ====================== >> >> 2008/9/2 Minh Ngoc Le <cumeo89 at gmail.com>: >> > V?o 19:05 Ng?y 01 th?ng 9 n?m 2008, Huan Truong <hnt7438 at truman.edu> ?? >> > vi?t: >> >> >> >> Em th? g?i m?t b?i ??u ti?n ?? c?c b?c g?p ? v?/ho?c n?m ??. >> > >> > Ch?o b?n Tr??ng, m?nh xin g?p m?y ? nho nh?: >> > >> >> >> >> h?u h?t c?c kho? h?c ??u d?y v? MS Windows, MS Office thay v? Open >> >> Office >> >> hay LATeX >> > >> > ?o?n n?y ??i s?nh kh?ng chu?n l?m, MS Windows th? ph?i so v?i Linux >> > (c?ng >> > ch?a ho?n to?n ch?nh x?c nh?ng d? h?nh dung h?n), MS Office so v?i Open >> > Office th? ??ng r?i c?n LaTeX l? c? 1 th? gi?i kh?c. >> > >> >> Open Office hay LATeX [...] nh?ng ng??i b?n "r?nh m?y t?nh" c?a m?nh >> >> c?ng >> >> kh?ng d?ng LaTEX? >> > >> > Kh?ng th?ng nh?t. >> > >> >> S? kh?c bi?t v? uy?n chuy?n trong c?ch ti?p c?n v? gi?i quy?t m?t c?ng >> >> vi?c ch?nh l? ?i?u m? r?t nhi?u c?ng ty ?ang tr?ng ??i v?o c?c sinh >> >> vi?n >> >> t??ng lai. >> > >> > Ch?c l? nh?m ;-) >> > >> >> http://opensourcewindows.com >> > >> > M?nh mu?n g?i ? 1 trang kh?c r?t ??ng ch? ? l? Open source as >> > alternative >> > (http://www.osalt.com). >> > >> > Ch?c vui ;-) >> > >> > Ng?c Minh. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > HanoiLUG mailing lists: http://lists.hanoilug.org/ >> > HanoiLUG wiki: http://wiki.hanoilug.org/ >> > HanoiLUG blog: http://blog.hanoilug.org/ >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> HanoiLUG mailing lists: http://lists.hanoilug.org/ >> HanoiLUG wiki: http://wiki.hanoilug.org/ >> HanoiLUG blog: http://blog.hanoilug.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > HanoiLUG mailing lists: http://lists.hanoilug.org/ > HanoiLUG wiki: http://wiki.hanoilug.org/ > HanoiLUG blog: http://blog.hanoilug.org/ > -- Best Regards, Nguyen Hung Vu ( Nguy?n V? H?ng ) vuhung16plus{[email protected] , YIM: vuhung16 , Skype: vuhung16dg Japan through an eye of a gaijin: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vuhung/tags/fav/
