Hi,

"Truong Anh. Tuan" <tuanta at iwayvietnam.com> a ?crit :

----- "V? ?? Qu?nh" <vu.do.quynh at auf.org> wrote:
>> I went inside a computer shop, located at the corner of Nguyen Du and
>> Tr?n Binh Trong (Trung Anh computers), and saw that there were selling

> The shop's name should be "Tr?n Anh", right?

This is its former name. The owner has changed since less than one year. It
is now Trung
Anh (http://www.trunganhid.vn).


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>> self-assembled computers (Intel celeron, Intel Dual core and Core 2
>> Duo, with prices ranging from 3.5 to 5.9 MVND, without monitor) and
>> Ubuntu was one of the three proposed OS. Windows (XP and Vista) was
>> the other OS but this not a surprise.

> Be careful with your thoughts. I know a lot of computer shops now install
Linux (Fedora, Ubuntu, Asianux, etc.) by default to show at the shop but
it's just to government
> agencies :(. Almost end-users will go out of the shop with a
computer/laptop running >
> Windows XP (cracked version, of course). That's a fact, terrible fact,
even it's better
> than that past when PCs/Laptops with cracked Windows still sell
explicitly.

Yes. I am aware and know perfectly this situation. Whenever I come in a
computer shop I often (not to say always) "tease" the vendors when I see
that Windows is proposed with OS
free computers by asking if it is a legal version or not ?

Usually you'll see computers (especially laptops) that comes with Linux or
FreeDos,
running Windows instead as demo. Only at exhibition fair you could seldom
see some laptop
computers running under GNU/Linux.

Here you can read on the stickers describing the computer : "OS : Ubuntu,
Windows XP,
Vista" which is quite different to what I am used to see and judge, so my
post. It's also
very new for this shop since I went in many times in the past to look for
Atom-based
computers (at that time no trace of GNU/Linux not to say Ubuntu).

I intend to get in touch with the director of the shop (I know at least one
of them from
the business point of view) to interview them about this.
>> Not done, music and demos displayed on three LCD monitors were running
>> under Ubuntu (not Windows, as usual).

This is also very unusual in a computer shop ! If you can find an other shop
in downtown
Hanoi with this feature, please tell me !

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>> Last but not least they had a very nice looking mini-PC (SingPC) with
>> a small and thin case, using a dualcore Atom at 1.6 Ghz and OEM
>> pre-installed with Asianux ! It sells at 4.5 MVND with a 16? wide LCD
>> monitor included, which is a very very acceptable price when you look
>> at the quality of the case (small casing is more expensive that normal
>> cases). For an everyday computing use it would be an awesome choice,
>> especially that as it runs GNU/Linux you could surely install the
>> preferred distribution of your choice !

> I agree, although not totally. It's better than just FreeDOS inside. At
least, it's tested with a real Linux distro.

As Cavang said, it's an Atom based desktop. So, it's pretty sure that a
modern GNU/Linux
distribution will work out of the box. Of course the use of a live CD will
confirm better
(I even have a ready USB Bootable Ubuntu 9.04 to test these CDless nettops).
Using Ubuntu
Netbook Remix is very very appropriate with the small 16.5" LCD screens that
goes along
with these nettops. If you consider the price tag on a similar casing by
Acer (offered
with linux too - likely not Ubuntu and even not sure that it would be Linpus
Lite - but
for about 75% higher price - without monitor, but you got a DVD-RW and a
DualCore Intel),
this SingPC offer is awesome IMHO !

I would just hope that my home computers broke down so that I have the alibi
to buy buy
one right away !

> Several months ago, I took my friend to buy a laptop. We chose a Toshiba
one with Linux
> support as they told. But when we told them to install Fedora, they did
not understand
> what it is :). They told me it supports only Linux! :))

 Yeah. When I bought one Acer laptop with Linux on it (3 years ago), they
told me that I
could not run a computer without installing Windows on it ; they were
actually pretty
right as you only had a command line GNU/Linux, Linpus brand, installed on
the Acer ; no
graphical interface like the one that was quite well polished 2 years later
for the Acer
Aspire One. I naturally installed Ubuntu without (unsolved) problems.
> After some pull-push, my friend agreed to install Windows (cracked, of
course :) to test
> all the hardware (it does not have anything inside, even FreeDOS!). I had
to install
> Fedora for her from beginning with some drivers (wired and wireless cards,
e.g) need to
> be compiled.

Oh man, don't ask me to do such things (kernel compilation) ! That's why I
love so much
Ubuntu because I "hate being obliged" to rely on others to be able to get my
job done !

regards

-- 
Vu Do Quynh (M.)
Hanoi, Vietnam
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