I'd like to say something as a user of the software and and avid
follower of each conversation via this list. The few spam messages that
do come through IS NO ISSUE. Unless it is so bad it is wearing your
delete key out. Seriously, there are other things to complain about.
On 14/04/2014 16:11, Willy Tarreau wrote:
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 02:59:48PM +0000, Juan Jimenez wrote:
I will mention a couple of points and leave it at that. I靶e been
operating mailing lists for decades, I get zero spam on the ones I own by
taking simple measures to prevent it, and the subscribe/unsubscribe is so
painless than no one complains about it.
For sure, they'd have to subscribe in order to complain. Just like I
never complained to anybody about the few of my e-mails that got dropped
in the past to a few mailing lists. You see that you're going to help
someone, your e-mail is rejected and you simply think "go to hell with
your filters and keep your list closed". And these mails were lost and
so what ?
If someone wants to read and not
participate, I allow that as well by making the threads public. If they
want to ask questions and participate, I require them to subscribe because
I respect the rights of those who do accept a little bit of work in
exchange for getting value from the list.
It's exactly the problem : you don't consider those who contribute just
for the sake of helping and not getting back any value from a list. We
have some like this on this list BTW. Some of them were not subscribers
during their first e-mails and finally subscribed. That's exactly what
your filtering method prevents and I disagree with that.
If we had 100 spams a day, we could possibly change something, but at
the moment, the only reason for noticing spam is that there's low traffic
on the list.
BTW, what drives people out of the list is not spam but actually discussions.
I can say that every time there are 1 or 2 threads which last for a few
e-mails, I'm getting 2 or 3 unsubscription emails. I can predict for sure
that it will happen this evening due to this thread.
So that proves one thing :
- spam make people complain
- useful discussions about the work make people leave
Let's keep people complaining, while they complain they don't leave :-)
Willy
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