Don't be so sure!!! Many of us remember when Nancy first logged on. Tireless, courage, inquisitive, intellect, and persistent are words that come to mind.../t ;-0
> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy E. Anthracite > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:18 AM > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] HealtheVet Desktop Components > > No, Nancy hasn't done it and I strongly doubt Nancy will have the foggiest > idea how to help if she did try it. Remember, Nancy was the one who asked > what CCOW is. ;-) > > > > On Tuesday 28 December 2004 03:29 am, David Sommers wrote: > > I hope to provide help however, I haven't implemented HealtheVet myself > > so I don't have any silver bullets for you. > > > > > > > > I'm sure someone else on the list (*cough Nancy cough*) has done it and > > might have a few insights. > > > > > > > > /David. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > krishna meera > > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:44 AM > > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] HealtheVet Desktop Components > > > > > > > > hello david, > > I installed the CPRS 24.27th version.After .I added the > > patients.provider,ward,clinic etc using the commands.But in the > > coversheet for each item do we need to add each options through > > commands?. > > > > Another one is how we will integrate this CPRS in HealtheVet desktop > > components using CCOW.I think CCOW is calling at the time of clicking on > > the view chart option from HealtheVet near to the edit task > > button..right? Is there any document saying the proper implementation of > > it? > > > > Hope i will get your help.... > > krishna > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Sommers" > > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] HealtheVet Desktop Components > > Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:42:28 -0500 > > > > > http://www.hl7.org/special/Committees/ccow_sigvi.htm > > > > > > It's a HL7 standard for maintaining patient and user context on the > > > clinician's desktop. > > > > > > Basically if you have CPRS open and pick John Doe. Then fire up > > > iMedConsent(tm), our software will have John Doe already up. No > > > confusion among names, SSNs, DOBs, etc. The key is uniform patient > > > selection and context. > > > > > > If you change the patient in CPRS, iMedConsent(tm) is notified of the > > > patient change and automatically updates. If you have a document up in > > > > > > our system (created for John Doe) and then change patients, our system > > > > > > will challenge CCOW. With a challenge, a user can either accept the > > > patient change (destroy the document since it was for John and not > > > > Jane) > > > > > OR disregard the change and stay on John (we would leave the document > > > up). > > > > > > The applications can now communicate with other, on the local system, > > > about the patient and user. The VA isn't currently using SSO > > > > technology > > > > > but it is part of the Sentillion solution and it's going to be used > > > someday. Using Sentillion and CCOW, User context can also be shared on > > > > > > the local system to enable SSO. [Auto-Login is SSO but many sites > > > > don't > > > > > (or can't) use it, this will supplement it]. > > > > > > I put it in the context of how our company uses it - I'm sure there > > > > are > > > > > other practical uses in other products but I'm not aware of any beyond > > > > > > the basics for linking patients. > > > > > > /David. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > > Nancy > > > > > E. Anthracite > > > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 11:18 PM > > > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] HealtheVet Desktop Components > > > > > > Could you please give those of us who have no idea about CCOW what it > > > > is > > > > > and > > > why one wants/needs it? > > > > > > On Sunday 26 December 2004 11:06 pm, David Sommers wrote: > > > > Now this is the stuff that I do know... :) > > > > > > > > Sentillion will give you a license for software integration and > > > > development against any of their CCOW installations. The VA has a > > > > license for Sentillion CCOW on the enterprise, so I (the vendor) > > > > don't > > > > > > have to pay to use CCOW (outside a nominal one-time fee). > > > > > > > > But as a hospital, you'd have to license CCOW for your site which > > > > consists of not only client-side software but hardware running the > > > > > > "CCOW > > > > > > > Vaults". These Vaults maintain CCOW Connection information and state > > > > > > > > across all your clients (and that's where your client-side software > > > > connects to). > > > > > > > > Now I don't know the costs for a hospital, but for someone > > > > integrating > > > > > > with an existing Sentillion site - it's not too bad at all. > > > > > > > > Now CCOW is not required for CPRS and VistA Imaging (yet). If you > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > have the CCOW components installed, the software will bypass the > > > > CCOW > > > > > > check and continue working in "legacy". If a system (such as > > > > HealtheVet) requires CCOW access, we could work three solutions. > > > > > > > > 1) Remove CCOW and use another means of transferring the patient > > > > link. > > > > > > 2) Implement a different CCOW product (that's made from scratch or > > > > > > Open > > > > > > > Source). > > > > 3) Talk to Sentillion. > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > /David. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > > > > Nancy > > > > > > > E. Anthracite > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 10:21 PM > > > > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] HealtheVet Desktop Components > > > > > > > > In the past, Sentillion would send you a developers trial copy of > > > > the > > > > > > software. You have to fill out a form as I recall, then I think they > > > > > > > > call > > > > you and mail it to you if you pass muster. I got a copy once to use > > > > with > > > > VistAImaging, and then never got the Accusoft software so I haven't > > > > > > used > > > > > > > it > > > > (yet?). It took quite a while to get it as I recall - I think > > > > > > something > > > > > > > like > > > > 4-6 weeks,but I could be wrong about the that. > > > > > > > > On Sunday 26 December 2004 05:06 pm, Cameron Schlehuber wrote: > > > > > The CCOW components for VistA are all based on Sentillion work and > > > > > > > > have the > > > > > > > > > following notice at the beginning of all the documentation (which > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > it's not available through FOIA): > > > > > > > > > > Notice to Government Users > > > > > The Sentillion product suite is commercial computer software that > > > > > > > > includes > > > > > > > > > commercial documentation, manuals, and related technical data. The > > > > > > > > > > development of this commercial software was privately funded, with > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > government funding, therefore, the only rights that the Government > > > > > > has > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > this commercial computer software are those specified in the > > > > > > > > applicable > > > > > > > > > Government license agreement. The Software and documentation > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > therewith are provided with RESTRICTED RIGHTS. Use, duplication, > > > > or > > > > > > > disclosure by the United States Government is subject to the > > > > > > > > restrictions > > > > > > > > > as set forth in Federal Acquisition Regulation 12.212 for civilian > > > > > > > > agencies > > > > > > > > > and Defense Federal Acquisition Regulation 227.7202 for military > > > > > > > > agencies. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Joseph > > > > > > > > > Dal Molin > > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 2:47 PM > > > > > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] HealtheVet Desktop Components > > > > > > > > > > I think you can point Google to any website and search for things > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > that ZIP file.... > > > > > > > > > > J. > > > > > > > > > > krishna meera wrote: > > > > > > Is any one know from which folder, i will get the file called > > > > > > OSLC_IG.ZIP from the ftp site of vista.I think it contains the > > > > > > instructions for installing ccow components > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Nancy E. Anthracite" > > > > > > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] HealtheVet Desktop Components > > > > > > Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 14:50:46 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please look at my email of 12-25 at 11:47 and Fil Beza's email > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > immediately follow it RE the MPI and calling Austin. Go to > > > > this > > > > > > > > site.http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=hardhats-members > > > > > > > > > There is a search function here as well, so you will often be > > > > > > > > able to > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > answers to questions that have to do with CPRS, etc., that > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, there is not much about HealteVet Desktop as > > > > > > that > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > relatively new subject. I understand that HealtheVet desktop > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > relatively > > > > > > > > > > > > > limited functionality at this time and there will not be a > > > > full > > > > > > > > > fledged replacement for CPRS done in Java by the VA until the > > > > > > > > middle > > > > > > > > > > > of next > > > > > > > > > > > > year at > > > > > > > > > > > > > the best, so you might consider using CPRS for now if you are > > > > > > > > > > > > planning to try > > > > > > > > > > > > > to do anything with it any time soon. I noted there are > > > > > > something > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > order of 1600 RPC Broker calls. There is a lot of work to be > > > > > > done > > > > > > > yet. > > > > > > > > > > > Also, to find out about adding a physician and giving him the > > > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > > > > keys and > > > > > > > > > > > > > permissions, look at http://www.geocities.com/kdtop3/ and the > > > > > > > > > > > > Post-Install > > > > > > > > > > > > > notes section. I will send you another document that is only > > > > > > > > partially > > > > > > > > > > > complete and I will also send Kevin to put on his site that > > > > > > > > includes > > > > > > > > > > > my initial explorations of the Clinical Coordinators job, > > > > > > person > > > > > > > class > > > > > > > > > > > and provider class, or something like that. I think giving > > > > > > > > yourself > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > ORES key > > > > > > > > > > > > > and assigning provider status in file 200 will help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday 26 December 2004 10:33 am, rev athy wrote: > > > > > > > > Iam trying to install the Healthevet desktop framework in > > > > > > > > vista, > > > > > > > > > > > > using the cache database,vistalink also installed > > > > > > > > At the time of adding a patient where the datas are saving ? > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Austin or in the localhost M'server? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After adding the patient also the healthevet desktop shows > > > > as > > > > > > 'no > > > > > > > > > > > > patient found" is it because of not admitting the patient ? > > > > i > > > > > > tried > > > > > > > > > > > > that also but at the end of the admitting process it asks > > > > for > > > > > > a" > > > > > > > > > > > > PRIMARY PHYSICIAN:" I added a provider to it but its not > > > > > > > > taking, it > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "select active providers only" > > > > > > > > which command gives us the active providers ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at the time of adding a patient also it shows the error like > > > > > > > > "Could > > > > > > > > > > > > not connect to MPI or Timed Out". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what we have to do to install the CCOW components in > > > > > > HealtheVet > > > > > > > > > Desktop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > framework? Is there any documentation? do i need any other > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get the chart view in healthevet desktop components > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can anyone help me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > revathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "Nancy E. Anthracite" > > > > > > > > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] HealtheVet Desktop > > > > Components > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:08:39 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Believe me, you do not want to connect to Austin. That is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > US > > > > > > > > > > > > > Department of Veteran's Affairs Master Patient Index. > > > > > > > > Eventually, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may want your own MPI. For now, let it time out, and I am > > > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will post a solution to that problem. At one time, I found > > > > > > > > > > someplace > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where in the code the amount of time it was supposed to > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > entered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I wondered if just making that very short would be > > > > > > > > sufficient > > > > > > > > > > > > > particularly as it would allow them to put in their own > > > > MPI > > > > > > > > sometime in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the future. Perhaps someone knows if this would suffice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday 25 December 2004 01:20 pm, rev athy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > kevin, > > > > > > > > > > when iam trying to connect to the clinicians dashboard i > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting the following result.. ""......Attempting to > > > > > > > > connect to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Master Patient Index in Austin... If no SSN or inexact > > > > > > DOB > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > common > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > name, this request may take some time, please be > > > > > > patient... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could not connect to MPI or Timed Out, assigning local > > > > > > ICN > > > > > > > (if > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already assig ned)........."" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can i make a connection with Austin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > revathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: "Kevin Toppenberg" > > > > > > > > > > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] HealtheVet Desktop > > > > > > > > Components > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 09:08:21 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nancy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you see the phrase "allows any language to use > > > > > > > > > > > Broker", this usually means that they have developed a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > COM object. Most languages have methods to interface > > > > > > > > > > > with a COM object. If you are using visual basic, and > > > > > > > > > > > the COM object has been registered, then the object is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably already available in VB. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "Nancy E. Anthracite" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I noted this version of documentation for the Broker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Development Kit that is a bit newer than what is on > > > > > > > > > > > > www.Hardhats.org and it mentions an API in there > > > > that > > > > > > > > "allows any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > language to use Broker". I don't know enough about > > > > > > this > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > know if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this documentation will help, or even if it is > > > > > > > > significantly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different from the 1997 documentation, but maybe it > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > help. > > > > There is more documentation in that same > > > > > > > > directory > > > > > > > > > > > > that might help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as well. > > > > http://www.va.gov/vdl/VistA_Lib/Infrastructure/Remote_Proc_Call_Broke > > > > > > > > > > > > >r_(R PC)/xwb1_1p26dg.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday 25 December 2004 08:21 am, rev athy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I installed cache database and now iam trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integrate the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > caremanagement and cprs modules to HealtheVet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > desktop framework.I started > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the framework but not getting any patients to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > select from the database . I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already added patients into the database now also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it shows like "no patiens > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to select" then i can't be able to see the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > functionalities of that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > framework. 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