There is a lot to be said for getting a good night's sleep and trying again in the morning - sort of a prolonged stepping away. Of course if you are Greg, you solve those problems in your sleep. ;-)
On Monday 27 June 2005 10:55 pm, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: > .... but the truth is that insight come > > > unbidden, almost as a > > kind of Gestalt experience, and sometimes slowing > > down is the best way > > to accomplish your goals more quickly. > > So true! I find that I will often sit at the computer > and just bang my head against a problem for hours, and > not succeed. But then when I stop, and go off to do > something else, suddenly I see the bigger picture. > And often it involves backing up and taking another, > better tack. > > Kevin > > > --- Kevin Toppenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Programming while performing one of a variety of > > > choices of extreme sports? E.g. skydiving, > > > > surfing, > > > > > mountain climbing, or scuba diving? > > > > > > LOL :-) > > > > > > Kevin > > > > > > --- James Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What is extreme programming? > > > > > > > > Jim Gray > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Greg Woodhouse" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "Hardhats" > > > > <hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:45 PM > > > > Subject: [Hardhats-members] Open source, Vista, > > > > and > > > > > > XP (and I don't mean > > > > Windows) > > > > > > > > >A very general question: Is Extreme Programming > > > > > > > > (XP) an appropriate > > > > > > > > > model for open source? With all built in > > > > tests, > > > > > > pair programming, and > > > > > > > > > all that, is it even workable? I have never > > > > tried > > > > > > consciously to adopt > > > > > > > > > XP as a practice, but many of the principles > > > > and > > > > > > practices in XP > > > > > > > > > resonate well with how I like to work as a > > > > > > > > developer (and how I think I > > > > > > > > > work best). Big open source projects seem hard > > > > to > > > > > > fit into this model > > > > > > > > > because of sheer scale and because of the > > > > > > > > (typically) geographically > > > > > > > > > diverse nature of the development team. On the > > > > > > > > other hand, I am struck > > > > > > > > > by the lack of attention paid to analysis and > > > > > > > > design on this list. I > > > > > > > > > also wonder if this is an entirely bad thing > > > > -- > > > > > > While I don't believe > > > > > > > > > good software can just organically "evolve" > > > > with > > > > > > no clear understanding > > > > > > > > > (on the part of the developers) of what it is > > > > > > > > supposed to do, I also > > > > > > > > > believe that design is best thought of as an > > > > > > > > ongoing process and > > > > > > > > > (though the waterfall development model is no > > > > > > > > longer fashionable), we > > > > > > > > > tend to handcuff ourselves with the "first > > > > > > > > requirements, then design, > > > > > > > > > and (only) then construction" mentality. I > > > > agree > > > > > > with Kent Beck that in > > > > > > > > > his otherwise brilliant "Code Complete" Steven > > > > > > > > McConnell pushes the > > > > > > > > > construction metaphor too far. Developing > > > > software > > > > > > is (or should be) a > > > > > > > > > learning process, and we gain insight into how > > > > > > > > better to build a piece > > > > > > > > > of software by working on it. It seems > > > > fruitless > > > > > > to think that any > > > > > > > > > large problem can really completely understood > > > > "up > > > > > > front" before we > > > > > > > > > even begin to create a solution. > > > > > > > > > > "The most profound technologies are those that > > > > > > > > disappear." > > > > > > > > > --Mark Weiser > > > > > > > > > > ==== > > > > > Greg Woodhouse > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy > > > > Linux > > > > > > Migration Strategies > > > > > > > > > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, > > > > > > > > straightforward articles, > > > > > > > > > informative Webcasts and more! 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