Ok - we have a thread on my favorite subject. My $.02 or less! Delete! My hat's off to you, Nancy. I too, read it so I have an idea of your investment. More Bion: http://human-nature.com/rmyoung/papers/pap148h.html
I thought it an interesting view of the "internet group." Did you think it may have lacked depth in the research and understanding of group dynamics of today? For a treatise of that length, one might expect reference to Tuckman's model of group dynamics, specifically Forming, Storming, Norming, Performing, and Adjourning. http://www.chimaeraconsulting.com/tuckman.htm In addition Agazarian has written extensively on groups is a highly regarded modern day authority: Agazarian, Yvonne M. & Peters, Richard. http://karnacbooks.com/product.php?PID=5793 Then there is Eric Berne, Claude Steiner, Fritz Perls, and another whole banner of contributors on groups. http://www.brianamartin.co.uk/docs/1.pdf Referring to Tuckman's model I am reserving my opinion of the Hardhats stage. Unfortunately, Storming, as described by Clay Shirky, is where many groups end. This is a group outcome, whether internet, a church, or a group formed to salvage a State Medicaid program. A new group enters the forming (sometimes called honeymoon) stage. The stage is characterized by warm fuzzies, feelings of belonging, and a general feeling "we are so cool." Unfortunately, we too often forget - or fail to anticipate - the pain and agony visited on us by the storming stage. This is where many groups crash and burn. It may happen in a month, a year, or several years. This stage - marked by competitiveness, maneuvering for position, growth of factions, and scapegoats - may never reach the next stage. How the group deals with these competing interests determines if they achieve the Norming stage where everyone starts to understand their task, boundaries, and how they can share a win with the group. At the heart of the process is the concept that we all try to recreate our family of origin when we join a group. How we resolve those issues determines the success of the group (and individual members). Performing is where the work creates value and miracles are accomplished. Few groups reach it. And few, who don't, ever understood what happened to them. Anyone care to pronounce the stage of Hardhats? Thanks, thurman http://etd.rau.ac.za/theses/available/etd-09152004-120135/restricted/doctora lthesis.pdf > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardhats- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy Anthracite > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 9:38 AM > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Announcing the VistA Office EHR Discussion > Forum > > I just read the article David suggested we read. It must have been a long > talk! Lots of food for thought and great trepidation. > > I am going to take a chance at making people angry and talk about what has > gone on behind the scenes and why the gentle attempt to help split off > some > of the traffic anticipated for this list occurred now. > > Greg Kreis, who is on travel and probably will not even see posting, was > on > the horn with me about another subject and expressed his concern that the > list was having so many postings that it was getting hard read them all > and > that when he saw the response to the NY Times article, he figured when VO > was > released that the Hardhats would be inundated with postings. > > It was not the inundation he was most concerned about. It was that those > who > came to Hardhats would be rapidly turned off by the technical discussion, > it > would scare them off, dropping any thought of using VistA at all. They > would > be a permanent loss to the community. > > I told him that there were plans to gin up the VVSO (VistA Vendor Support > Organization) web site into something with one or more email lists for > users, > places to donate interfaces and templates and objects and the like, etc., > so > that he might talk about it with Maury Pepper to see if the VVSO site > could > help. I suggested Maury because he is part of the VVSO team but I > thought > since he was probably not in as much of a state of severe sleep > deprivation > as the rest of the VVSO team, he might be able to focus better on the > problem > at hand. > > Maury talked with Greg and invited Greg to briefly join the WorldVistA > board > meeting conference call Thursday night to see if they could come up with a > plan that might work out. When a last minute invitation was extended to > me > as well, I joined in. > > I think I can summarize the discussion by saying that everyone was fearful > of > wrecking what the Hardhats mailing list has, which I will not attempt to > define, but we all know it is really great stuff. This was just a best > guess > as to what might be done that would preserve what we have and yet also > provide a useful forum for new VO adopters and at least some of the rest > of > us who straddle the fence between clinical and technical. > > Greg felt the Hardhats began as largely a Kernel, Fileman, Taskman, etc. > infrastructure list so that that dividing line between applications and > infrastructure seemed like a reasonable one. The plan was to gently > encourage folks to move the discussion of a particular topic to the most > appropriate list. That was it. Make the new list that was coming anyway > and > gently suggest ... nothing more ... and hope that even that is not too > much. > > I think those of us that have an interest in all aspects of VistA would do > well to join the other list and just see what happens. It will all show > up > in you mailbox together and you can hopefully just keep right on doing > what > you are doing with little change except the things more of interest to the > end user might end up on the VVSO list and those more down an dirty, here. > > As for the Hardhats community/social interaction, I think that will stay > right here and I hope a new social institution will arise for the VO > clinical > users on the VVSO site. There is a whole group of people out there > working > on VO that read the Hardhats list and never post a word. I found out when > I > went to one of the "Partners" meetings for VO where I was greeted like an > old > friend by people I had never heard of because they had read so many of my > postings on Hardhats. VistA provides for sort of an instant bonding when > you > meet someone like that. Hopefully those folks jump in on a list that is > more oriented to the sorts of things they are doing with VistA so their > expertise and insight can be tapped and we can get to know each other > better. > > Others of those that are reading this and not posting are programmers, and > I > hope they will eventually feel comfortable letting us know they are here. > > OK, now it's your turn to chew up bandwidth. I used up more than my > share. > > ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! 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