From: "G.Waleed Kavalec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "The Hardware List" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H] Failure Cars Standard with Wings was....
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:57:51 -0600
On 3/9/06, Chris Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> What has happened in numerous areas of the world is that religious
zealots
> of all forms - not just islam - take their faith so seriously that they
> use
> it as an oppressing hammer to beat the piss out of people.
Excellent example: the neo-cons, controlled by the Radical Christian Right,
have killed AT LEAST 100,000 CIVILIANS in their war on Iraq. Plenty
elsewhere, too.
Link?
I would say something very offensive, but the reality is, the entire area
> needs to be modernized in a monumental way in regards to it's treatment
of
> women.
The myths about the treatment of women in Islam continue, I doubt I will
dissuade anyone here who simply want to believe them. But for those with
any interest in the truth, try (again) doing a little homework: Study
Indonesia as a positive example - the largest Muslim country in the world.
Or are you of those who think Arab and Muslim are synonymous? The reality
is that Arabs make up only 12% of Islam today.
In other words, forget about the rest of the majority islamic nations and
instead just pay attention to Indonesia, ignoring the REALITY (not a "myth")
that women are treated as property or at best second class citizens
elsewhere in the Islamic world. BTW, Indonesia's human rights record does
not hold a candle to Turkey's. I'm surprised you do not use Turkey as a
shining example of a free Islamic nation.
The reality is that Islam brought the idea tha woman could own and/or
inherit property to the Arabian peninsula 1400 years ago, at a time when
women pretty much WERE property in most of Europe. Islam declared the
unthinkable notion that a woman could say "no" to an arranged marriage!
(Anyone wonder that Muhammad had his enemies?)
And now muslim women are back to being property again. Funny that. 80 lashes
for you!
Actually you are close to decribing the reality happening in Iran today;
the
young are growing up with a taste for free expression, but with a healthy
disdain for the excessives of the west. The hard-line Shi'a-extreme old
guard is scared to death of this, but so are Bush's puppet-masters. The
up-and-coming generation of Iranians have a dangerous combination: the
solid
ethical principles of Islam, and a clear picture of the modern world.
Nukes? Screw nukes. It is this new combination that frightens the
neocons.
I think what scares any sane person the most about Iran is the newly ELECTED
madman president who calls for the destruction of Israel. The moderate youth
of Iran need to try harder next time, I know it's tough considering many
better canidates were removed from the electoral process.
PS: I wonder if any of the European countries with holocaust denial laws
have the balls to arrest Ahmadinejad the minute he steps foot into their
country. I personally find the laws silly but whatever.
