At 12:15 PM 28/12/2006, CW wrote:
No, I'm not arguing that free is always better (it isn't) I'm just arguing that because something is free doesn't make it ipso facto "bad".

Neither was I. I'm a big fan of free, but only when it's as good or better. Or at least good enough. In the security world, "good enough" isn't, unfortunately. Not when there are better options.

I think we're debating a bit in a circle because we aren't arguing the same point. What I'm saying is that for the average CONSUMER, there are only two AV softwares on the market (well, three now counting Microsoft OneCare). That's Symantec/McAfee which make up almost 80% of the marketspace. You can go to any Walmart/Target/etc. and buy them. Consumers who spend $15 on dialup know those products brand name. Convincing them to switch to ESET or Kapersky, which cost the same as two products they know of is a very difficult proposition.

That's our job. I educate customers. 90% of the people who come into my store by NOD32 once I show them the comparisons. The other 10% generally come back in two months, I clean the new viruses off their machines and then they buy NOD32. If someone is shopping at Walmart for a security product, they deserve to get owned.

> How much does one cost?  Perhaps my argument fits here as well - but
> of course, I wasn't talking about firewalls.

A few hundred :) Doctors offices happily have FireBoxes and Symantec Gateways, Trend Gateways etc. that do this function pretty well.

Ok, I might go free then. :)

In regards to the BOOT scan, you might take a look at how AVAST does it. It is very impressive. Basically, AVAST stops the boot process and does a command-prompt scan (even in XP) before the GUI loads. This is one of those things that I really, really like about the software, and something I consider very unique. There have been times I've been to a client, whipped out a pen-drive, done an Avast install and installed the updates, told it to do a boot scan, and cleaned a PC before I left their building. That's something I haven't seen any other AV software do (period). I'm not sure exactly how they insert it in as a boottime scane, but it works, and it's text-mode prompts to delete/remove virus, etc. and keep a log file while it's at it create a brilliant paper trail that shows the client that the product worked.

I'm going to give it a try.  The boot scan does sound cool.

T

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