No flame war here! Just checked, AMD's stock value peaked when it doubled 2005's
value in Q1 2006. It's been dropping like a rock ever since to where now 3 years
later shares trade at 10% of 2006's peak.
Either way what killed AMD is C2D and lack of vision to compete, not bribes IMO. No
doubt in a few years we'll be having the opposite conversation! ATI better off? I
guess time will tell.
[email protected] wrote:
I'd argue ati is better off now then it would have been, and the 780g has been one of the most reliable htpc platforms. And the 4890 is a better bang then anything nvidias got atm.
But 5 years ago? Please. When amd had the x2, intel had pentium-ht and then pentiumd. And the x2 DESTROYS both of those. Until core2, 2 years ago, amd -owned- intel in performance. But amd didn't make as much money as they should have because intel basicaly paid off manufacturers not to use them. That's not bull, intel was busy trying to negotiate settlements in different places until the eu hammered them. One piece of evidence was incredible - intel checks in the hands of retail stores in Dresden, the home of amd fabs. Store owners said they received the checks as long as they didn't market amd pcs.
But let's recaps: the last 2 years, since 07, core2 has been the proc to have. But amd isn't terrible - the phenom2 is a good performer and the 780g is awesome for htpc.
But intel did juice the marketplace to the detriment of amd.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Zaske <[email protected]>
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:40:34
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [H] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Windows 7 RC Torrent == Bad
Dude, I don't want to get into a flame war with you but 3 countries have
independently concluded that Intel bribed manufacturers to freeze out
AMD in their distribution networks with so-called rebates and to delay
the release of AMD based products. AMD didn't make crappy PC's with
their products. They made some missteps along the way (Phenom I) as
Intel did (Netburst) but AMD didn't attempt to bribe manufacturers to
give preference to their products. Intel did and next March we're going
to see Intel get spanked again in US court this time. The Ati division
of AMD makes excellent GPU's and I predict that nVidia is going to have
a rude awakening in the 4th quarter when DX11 high performance cards
come out. Larrabee is going to get spanked by both camps when Intel
realizes that using x86 to make a video card is another netburst dead
end. ;-)
maccrawj wrote:
EU thinks anti-competitive the minute a company is successful &
dominates based on customer choice.
I say "look at all the crappy PC's that could have been made with AMD
chips these past 5 years (and some have been)! It's not been good for
AMD these past ~5 years and it has a more to do with AMD than Intel,
just look at them fraking up ATI.
Stan Zaske wrote:
Yeah, Intel has been in the news a lot lately and their poor
decisions are costing them dearly. Japan, Korea and now the EU have
concluded that they are anti-competitive. Next year I believe AMD
will get their shot in court and I predict that Intel will again be
held accountable. Imagine all the money that AMD lost over the past 5
years because of Intel's bribes to PC makers. Beginning to look like
the GM of the semiconductor world minus the threat of bankruptcy of
course.
