Hi,

I have to say I am happy with my 2008/2009 era macbook pro, added an SSD
to it, and it's still going strong with a core2duo (in fact I am typing
on it now).

That being said, I don't like the glued in batteries, and other crap
they have moved to more recently, and probably won't buy another
macbook, unless it's a used one that does not have the glued in battery,
the not quite standardized SSD connector, etc.

I am also rather happy with the build quality on my work Lenovo ThinkPad
W520, I have an mSATA SSD in it, a Sata SSD, and a HDD in the ultrabay
slot.  Even with optimus turned off, using only the Nvidia GPU, the
battery life is rather good under Ubuntu.  I have 4x4GB SO dimms in it,
and intend to swap out for 4x8Gig dimms before DDR3 starts getting too
expensive.  My only complaint it the power brick is the size of a brick,
170 watt, even with no HDD, and other things, I should be OK on a
90watt, but the bios enforces the 170 watt.  The 90watt will charge the
battery when the laptop is in sleep, but won't even really contribute to
the load while running.

-Harry

On 11/18/13 2:49 PM, Joshua MacCraw wrote:
> Well engineered? Pfft! Apple stopped being top notch quality when they
> jumped from Motorola processors & SCSI decades ago. It's the same or
> worse Taiwan or China manufacturing subcontractors that make everyone
> else's products. For the amount they charge vs. identical spec "PC" it
> better last a real long time! $1300 for 13in? $2000+ for 15in, right!
>
> That said Apple as always gets by using older, proven components and
> likely is not trying to squeeze any OC margin out of them and then use
> a metal case which has got to be pulling heat away from the components
> better. All the laptop vendors should be doing the metal case part
> IMHO and then coating key contact areas of the case in Plasti Dip.
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Bryan Seitz <se...@bsd-unix.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:18:44AM +0300, Naushad Zulfiqar wrote:
>>> Yes, they do run hot, but somehow they do have longer life spans.  I don't
>>> know why, the quality on the inside seems same.  I find that with PC mobos
>>> the power regulator circuitry is the first to go.  Both had that issue and
>>> since they are soldered on the mobo, it meant a whole motherboard swap,
>>> which costs about the same as a new laptop.  So F that!!!
>> I don't know, have you looked inside a macbook pro? Shit is like jesus!  
>> Very well engineered.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bryan G. Seitz

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