The feedback rules only tell part of the story.  While you look at it as 'I've 
paid, I've done part' that's true but the seller doesn't see it quite that way 
yet.    In the past, I had buyers buy stuff, use for a week, and return.  I 
sold my old denon receiver a few years ago, and a guy claimed it arrived 
damaged.  Which was fine.  Except he wouldn't let it get picked back up or 
return and wouldn't deal with the shipping companies insurance.   So, the 
extortion went all one way: refund and I keep it, or I leave negative feedback. 
 

Outside of sellers who receieve payment only to find that the moment the item 
ships the buyer puts in a dispute and then closes their paypal account so you 
get nothing.   Or its always good to sell something and have someone 'return' 
you an empty box stuffed with paper towels and demand paypal refund them.  
Paypal does it, instantly, and your answer as a seller is that your only option 
is to take them to small claims court in their home district which is often too 
spendy to do.  

The rules right now suck balls for sellers, and unless your a major warehouse 
it sucks.   Craigslist I at least meet the people and hand stuff off. 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Winterlight <[email protected]>
Sender: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:37:01 
To: <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [H] Alternative Selling Sites

At 01:28 PM 3/19/2011, you wrote:
>I have to see what Ebay does about the fixed maximum shipping like 
>there is on CD's and LP's...and books.  If they allow me to increase 
>that for their tax, well, it still sucks to the buyer.

I have sold maybe 10 things this year, and over the years I have had 
non paying, and annoying buyers , but I am in no way a seller.... 
years may pass between my selling. But from a buyers perspective I 
have been happy to see the changes. Now I will try and sell things 
that I wouldn't normally attempt because the profit would get eaten 
up in repeated submission fees.

I also  think changing the feedback rules is a good thing. I always 
felt that once I purchased and immediately make payment, notify the 
seller of my address etc, I have meet by obligations and am entitled 
to positive feedback regardless of what occurs afterwards.  But then 
more often then not, sellers, who have the most to benefit from 
feedback, didn't leave feedback, until after a buyer leaves positive 
feed back. It became a quid pro quo affair and as such pretty much 
useless as a means to self police. Many times I have felt taken 
advantage of by a seller and yet was afraid to leave negative 
feedback because I feared retribution feedback.. it just wasn't worth 
ruining my 100 percent positive, so I would just not leave feedback.

Ebay has been loudly criticized in the media for  years about not 
doing anything about dishonest sellers, and procedures. Now they are 
making an effort to do something about it to make things safer, and 
more equitable. I applaud their efforts. 

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