The problem in that regard though is that lightpeak is fast... Just not fast enough for one of the core concepts. It doesn't have enough bandwidth for full flow displayport, and would be wiped out by uncompressed hdmi.
So, since its a hub and spoje methhod, you'd wipe it out in one device. Its support for data and relaying other standards over it is fantastic. But I think the adoption rate is going to be low. The problem is, some look at it as 'the standard to rule all standards' but native devices will be few and far between. Its hard to be a lightpeak native device when your market consists of 3 total macbooks for the next nine months. That's why even devices like iPad2 don't have a lightpeak data connector. Since Lightpeak is the equivelent of 8 pci-e lanes, people aren't throwing cards into pcs to grab it, as boards with integrated video won't have enough pci-e lanes to do it, and boards without will be using the x16 slot for video. Lightpeak is a very cool future standard. But the negative is that it has slowed up intel from pushing out usb3 boards, and it will be a while before it matters to end users. If Lightpeak is going to work, intel needs much broader adoption then it has in its cards right now. No one knows how or if that will happen, or if this ends up a cool standard with low adoption rates like firewire. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Julian Zottl <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:53:04 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [H] Intel Thunderbolt (aka Light Peak) What I think has been funny is that you all are arguing about interfaces that were developed from the same company for different reasons: USB History: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus Lightpeak History: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightpeak USB is great for slower devices, like mice/keyboard/printers and was even adopted to hard drives because it was fast enough for it. It was meant to simplify cabling and confusion by Joe Consumer. Lightpeak (I think Thunderbolt is a retarded name) is meant for much higher speed things, like external video cards, SSD's, etc. where direct interactions of memory are involved. The switch to copper was not a huge surprise: Have you seen how people throw wires in their bags? Fiber would never hold up to the abuse that most people give copper. It also makes sense since they can now provide power over the copper and it is cheaper for people to buy (copper<<fiber). This will (hopefully to Intel) lead to it's wider adoption. Apple loves new shiny things, so of course they jumped on the bandwagon :) Sabre ---- Julian On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Anthony Q. Martin <[email protected]>wrote: > How many apple products does one need to be a fanboy? I have products > Intel, AMD, Apple, MS, LG, ASUS, Logitech, Gigabyte, Silverstone, > Coolermaster, Corsair, Epson, HP, Samsung, Hannspree, Viewsonic, Panasonic, > Seagate, Western Digital, Canon, Sony, kodak, HTC, Barnes&Noble, etc in here > right now. Even a Dell laptop. I'm sure I could name some more, but my > finger tips are hurting now. > > I am digging on my iPad 2, though. I love reading National Geographic > on-the-go on this thing! > > > On 3/21/2011 6:30 AM, Stan Zaske wrote: > >> Maybe I was too harsh by calling it a gimmick. I also said that it had >> great promise for the future and that Intel caught everybody off guard by >> changing their minds about using copper instead of fiber. It has very >> limited usage at the moment and is exclusive to Apple products only. What >> part of that did you Apple fanboys not understand? LOL >> >> >> On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:29:23 -0500, Greg Sevart <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> That's the exact trend I was about to comment on. If this was AMD's >>> technology, it'd be the greatest thing since the scroll wheel. It gets >>> old. >>> >>> By the way, I hate the name Thunderbolt. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:hardware- >>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 8:14 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [H] Intel Thunderbolt (aka Light Peak) >>>> >>>> So, by your definition, any new tech is a gimmick. I guess you hate on >>>> everyone except amd these days, huh? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:05 PM, "Stan Zaske" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> > It is a gimmick. You don't think I know it's now included into >>>> >>> Applesauce >>> >>>> products? Really? Good first effort by Intel and Job's Mob. LOL Oh yeah, >>>> >>> Intel >>> >>>> changed their minds and based it on copper instead of fiber. The company >>>> any intelligent person loves to despise more than Intel itself. LOL Or >>>> is >>>> >>> that >>> >>>> Microsoft? >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:30:09 -0500, Anthony Q. Martin >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> A gimmick? It's now included on some Apple laptops. Why are new >>>> things >>>> considered gimmicks? Seems unfair to me, as that word mostly has a >>>> negative connotation. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Sent from my iPad >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mar 19, 2011, at 9:53 AM, "Stan Zaske" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> It's just a gimmick at the present with great promise for the >>>> future. >>>> Imagine having that kind of speed with future SSD's capable of utilizing >>>> >>> it. This >>> >>>> is precisely the reason Intel has been very slow to adopt USB 3 in their >>>> chipsets. They want to bypass and supplant USB 3 entirely. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:28:53 -0500, Bino Gopal >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface) >>>> >>>> So I've read the Wikipedia article but I'm still not sure I get >>>> *how* >>>> >>> this is >>> >>>> going to change things exactly...is this basically only a faster means >>>> of >>>> transferring data from external devices (like HDDs)? Is that all or are >>>> >>> there >>> >>>> more use cases I'm not thinking of? >>>> >>>> And how do people feel this will compare to USB 3.0? Since I have >>>> neither of them, it's an interesting question of which I'd rather >>>> have/use >>>> going forward...thoughts? I know some people are saying HDD speeds will >>>> be the bottleneck now, not the bus, so if so, what would be the >>>> advantage >>>> >>> of >>> >>>> one over the other in practical, everyday terms? >>>> >>>> BINO >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> P.S. And is it just me, or was the time to market for this *really* >>>> >>> fast >>> >>>> compared to other new tech that gets announced and seems to take forever >>>> before we see it in implementation?? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> Using Opera's revolutionary email client: >>>> http://www.opera.com/mail/ >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>
