Leo Simons wrote:

Its kind-of hard to make sense of the whole legal+java+licensing+patents+open 
source
picture. I think in the end it comes down to the US legal system just not 
making a
lot of sense.

I disagree. It makes perfect sense while you start to understand why these restrictions were created in the first place.

The goals of the ASF, the FSF, Sun and the patent office are not always in synch. If they were, we wouldn't have to discuss.

In the past, the *distance* between these entities was so big that even talking was a challenge.

Years of convergence make the talking possible, yet actions are hard because they require changes in the ecosystem and these changes are slow and hard.

Both the ASF and the FSF are slowly but surely thinking about changing their respective policies to increase the ability for people to exchange code and package things together.

Yet, both have strong and loyal communities that need to be reassured that changes are not going to "pollute" their philosophical vision and their social ecosystem.

This is no different than a "cold war" diplomacy battle: both sides think their way of thinking is superior, yet they respect the power and capacity of the other side and would like to be able to use it, but they are afraid of the non-linear effects of doing so in their social ecosystem.

My gut feeling is that Harmony is going to make it clear that it is in the interests of both communities for the ASF and the FSF to find a way to collaborate.

But making it clear and making it happen are two different things: how we are going to get there, though, it's a huge question mark in my head.

--
Stefano.

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