Thanks for all the Info, Brent! I wasn't aware of many of those projects. I agree that contributing to an existing project is a better idea than doing something new. I suppose I was hoping there would be an official GHC JavaScript backend so that it would be clear which of the efforts to contribute to (and use).
-J Arthur On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Brent Yorgey <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 09:21:08AM -0600, Jonathan Geddes wrote: > > I agree that the Raison d'être for a .NET or JVM backend is interop. > > Perhaps that's not worth the effort of an entirely new backend. > JavaScript > > is a different beast, however. I said before: > > > > >From my point of view, languages that cannot run on one of the 3 > > > aforementioned platforms will become irrelevant. (with the exception of > > C, > > > of course). > > > > I'll take that one step further and say that for web applications it is > > becoming increasingly difficult to justify using a language that WILL NOT > > run both client and server. JavaScript (with NodeJS), Clojure (with > > ClojureScript), and Dart are just a few examples. > > > > I really believe that with a solid JavaScript backend, Haskell would be > an > > ideal web application language. Am I alone in that belief? What can I do > to > > get the ball rolling on that? > > I should point out that the ball already IS rolling -- ranging from > EDSLs that compile to JavaScript [1,2] to macro systems [3] to more > serious full-featured efforts [4,5]. There's even a wiki page listing > all these and more [6]. The yesod developers share your view that > Haskell would benefit from some sort of JavaScript backend; see [7] as > well as the ensuing discussion on Reddit [8]. See also Elm [9], which > compiles to HTML+CSS+JavaScript and has some Haskell integration [10]. > > Rather than trying to start yet another effort, what about > contributing to one of these ongoing ones? > > -Brent > > [1] http://www.ittc.ku.edu/csdlblog/?p=88 > [2] http://www.ittc.ku.edu/csdl/fpg/node/125 > [3] http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/JMacro > [4] http://uu-computerscience.github.com/uhc-js/ > [5] https://github.com/ghcjs/ghcjs > [6] http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/The_JavaScript_Problem > [7] http://www.yesodweb.com/blog/2012/04/client-side > [8] > http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/sm72n/client_side_yesod_an_frpinspired_approach/ > [9] http://elm-lang.org/ > [10] > http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/uugne/announcing_elm_02_haskell_integration_yesod/ > > _______________________________________________ > Haskell-Cafe mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe >
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