Thanks, Jasmin. I had been looking at ClassWeb, but I guess that's a quirk of the system, that it only appears in the Name headings, not in Subject headings. Beth Rivkah does appear in Subject headings, though that refers to a specific building. It's interesting to me that "Jewish religious schools" and "Jewish day schools" are subjects but "Beth Jacob Schools" is a name, with a capital S. They're more in the same category, since "Beth Jacob" now denotes a type of school, not any specific school or group of schools. And "Jewish religious schools" / "Jewish day schools" can be geographically subdivided, but if it's a name heading rather than a subject, does that limit the ability to add a location? It also allows "Beth Jacob Schools" to be used inappropriately, as in OCLC records 1005619808 or 1504735604, where "Beth Jacob Schools" is listed in the 710 as an issuing body of the work, or in record 1263969235 where it's in the 110 as a corporate author! Which isn't possible, because "Beth Jacob Schools" is not a single unit or body past the 1950s at the latest.
(As below, I'm not suggesting any action be taken, I'm only musing/asking. I wouldn't suggest any changes or new headings until I've had more practice anyway, which is why I'm writing to this group informally rather than submitting any proposals formally.) Someone had mentioned a committee at some point, but in any case, I meant the funnel. And I wasn't suggesting a change to Sarah Shnirer's name, only mentioning that because it felt super weird *to me* to write it that way. Many things that are established in LC are spelled differently than I'm used to - that was an aside, not the main part of what I was saying. And thanks - I am doing things on Wikidata, but I'm sticking to my lane and working on American Haredi kidlit authors, illustrators, and publishers, which is what I know best and can provide references for easily. I'll leave Bais Yaakov to someone with better knowledge of the necessary sources. Dainy Dainy Bernstein *ey/they* Hebraica Library Specialist University of Pennsylvania Libraries --- Book reviews for Shelf Awareness and AJL <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://dainy-bernstein.com/book-reviews-by-dainy-bernstein__;!!KGKeukY!ydM65sX4ft6H49KwCT9Uvq5G8on9-xRvu5wupLRnx7HGAk4_fxPYEpgcnEfYztBOV8MOzAPDgSp0N5344Qg96d4JTgzdPw$ > --- *Artifacts of Orthodox Jewish Childhoods <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.benyehudapress.com/books/artifacts-of-orthodox-childhoods/__;!!KGKeukY!ydM65sX4ft6H49KwCT9Uvq5G8on9-xRvu5wupLRnx7HGAk4_fxPYEpgcnEfYztBOV8MOzAPDgSp0N5344Qg96d4a4j37qw$ >* [image: Artifacts of Orthodox Jewish Childhoods: Personal and Critical Essays: Bernstein, Dainy: 9781953829252: Amazon.com: Books] On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 4:40 PM Shinohara, Jasmin <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Dainy, thank you for your question. > > I'm not sure where you searched, but there is a heading/access point for > Beth Jacob Schools (lccn n 2003067945) with a variant for Bais > Yaakov Schools in the LC/NACO Name Authority File (LCNAF), based on the > work Carry me in your heart, by Pearl Benisch (publ. 2003). Does this > meet your needs? Since there were some errors in the NAR, I've gone ahead > and corrected the errors and added more data, including the variants you > suggested below that are sourced in Wikipedia > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bais_Yaakov__;!!KGKeukY!ydM65sX4ft6H49KwCT9Uvq5G8on9-xRvu5wupLRnx7HGAk4_fxPYEpgcnEfYztBOV8MOzAPDgSp0N5344Qg96d6Bx9Uz8Q$ > > and in NLI's NAF online > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nli.org.il/he/authorities/987007511760505171__;!!KGKeukY!ydM65sX4ft6H49KwCT9Uvq5G8on9-xRvu5wupLRnx7HGAk4_fxPYEpgcnEfYztBOV8MOzAPDgSp0N5344Qg96d44tUamgg$ > >. > > For your reference, there is no "NACO committee." There are funnel > projects for NACO > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/naco/funnels.html__;!!KGKeukY!ydM65sX4ft6H49KwCT9Uvq5G8on9-xRvu5wupLRnx7HGAk4_fxPYEpgcnEfYztBOV8MOzAPDgSp0N5344Qg96d5B1W9eOQ$ > > (and > BIBCO > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/bibco/funnels.html__;!!KGKeukY!ydM65sX4ft6H49KwCT9Uvq5G8on9-xRvu5wupLRnx7HGAk4_fxPYEpgcnEfYztBOV8MOzAPDgSp0N5344Qg96d7Eksm8qw$ > > and SACO > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/saco/funnelsaco.html__;!!KGKeukY!ydM65sX4ft6H49KwCT9Uvq5G8on9-xRvu5wupLRnx7HGAk4_fxPYEpgcnEfYztBOV8MOzAPDgSp0N5344Qg96d6J13psBA$ > >). Participants in NACO > contribute authority records for agents, places, works, and expressions to > the LCNAF. An entity is established in the NAF based on usage in published > works. Once established, a name is not changed unless considered necessary. > "Necessary" factors include inaccurate dates present in an established > authorized access point (or partial dates when complete dates are known) or > an author abandoning a previously preferred form of name. Neither of these > is the case for Sarah Shnirer, so despite a current, more prevalent > spelling of her name, the access point will not be changed. This is to > minimize the number of record changes that need to take place (known as > bibliographic file maintenance). Certainly, variant forms of names are > added as they are found in publications in order to provide maximum access, > and the form Schenirer, Sarah, 1883-1935 is given as a variant for Shnirer, > Sarah, 1883-1935. > > Finally, I encourage you to create a Wikidata account > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://auth.wikimedia.org/wikidatawiki/wiki/Special:CreateAccount?useformat=desktop&usesul3=1&returnto=Q2262627¢ralauthLoginToken=42f220d84d836f0881e457a95474d73c__;!!KGKeukY!ydM65sX4ft6H49KwCT9Uvq5G8on9-xRvu5wupLRnx7HGAk4_fxPYEpgcnEfYztBOV8MOzAPDgSp0N5344Qg96d7VCpptFA$ > > (free > to all) and edit the Wikidata entry for Bais Yaakov > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2262627__;!!KGKeukY!ydM65sX4ft6H49KwCT9Uvq5G8on9-xRvu5wupLRnx7HGAk4_fxPYEpgcnEfYztBOV8MOzAPDgSp0N5344Qg96d7AKT-31g$ > > to include the information you > have about this school network and social movement (per the *Shalvi/Hyman > Encyc. of Jewish Women > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/bais-yaakov-schools__;!!KGKeukY!ydM65sX4ft6H49KwCT9Uvq5G8on9-xRvu5wupLRnx7HGAk4_fxPYEpgcnEfYztBOV8MOzAPDgSp0N5344Qg96d4WA1vdfQ$ > >* entry; the > above NAR is specific to the schools.) > > Please don't hesitate to reach out with further questions. Thanks, Jasmin > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Heb-naco <[email protected]> on behalf of Dainy > Bernstein via Heb-naco <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2025 3:30 PM > *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [Heb-NACO] Beth Jacob heading > > Hi all, I'm working on a book about Sarah Shnirer now (using the > established spelling of her name there even though it's more widely spelled > Sarah Schenirer). One of the subject headings that's already been assigned > is "Beth > Hi all, > > I'm working on a book about Sarah Shnirer now (using the established > spelling of her name there even though it's more widely spelled Sarah > Schenirer). One of the subject headings that's already been assigned is > "Beth Jacob Central Administration," which makes sense for a book about the > establishment of the school movement. > > But in browsing through related subject headings, I saw that there are no > other Beth Jacob / Bet Yaakov / Bais Yaakov etc. headings, only this "Beth > Jacob Central Administration." This heading is only relevant to the Bais > Yaakov movement until around the start of the Holocaust, and today there is > no central authority. > > A better heading for discussion of Bais Yaakov schools across the world > and beyond the life of its founder would be "Beth Jacob Schools" or > something like that - maybe "Beth Jacob (Orthodox schools for girls)," > linking to alternate spellings like Bet Yaakov, Bais Yaakov, Beis Yaakov, > Bet Yakov, and other variations. There's not a ton written about this > topic, but there are enough books that I think would be helped by this > heading, whether talking about schools in the US, Israel, Europe, etc. > > Maybe something the NACO committee can talk about? > > Thanks, > Dainy > > Dainy Bernstein > *ey/they* > Hebraica Library Specialist > University of Pennsylvania Libraries > --- > Book reviews for Shelf Awareness and AJL > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://dainy-bernstein.com/book-reviews-by-dainy-bernstein__;!!KGKeukY!w8kB-km8nhS7vU7s3swVi5YhCCFDwnM0UzMBEQQgIFmWJNR3iBd1WcF4BnNgAZWHiNZzHowUxSjMwDlRkhJqy3uM-QhIiA$> > --- > *Artifacts of Orthodox Jewish Childhoods > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.benyehudapress.com/books/artifacts-of-orthodox-childhoods/__;!!KGKeukY!w8kB-km8nhS7vU7s3swVi5YhCCFDwnM0UzMBEQQgIFmWJNR3iBd1WcF4BnNgAZWHiNZzHowUxSjMwDlRkhJqy3uf46icUA$>* > [image: Artifacts of Orthodox Jewish Childhoods: Personal and Critical > Essays: Bernstein, Dainy: 9781953829252: Amazon.com: Books] >
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