Hi, Yossi, thank you for bringing this record to our attention and for the opportunity to refresh our collective memories 馃檪.
Indeed, the HCM-RDA<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://rascat.pbworks.com/w/file/fetch/162221643/oct25Ladino*20fixes_HCM*20RDA*202019*20revising*20copy*20June*202025.pdf__;JSUlJSUlJQ!!KGKeukY!yfg-EJ3eHHS5szOhcnIQC3EEM24Y_k9Oe4NerM4ZNV9SORhwnfQIksVHma3Hk7BZYTuhzHkp-pl2EhqUK1lRUQ$ > section on foreign loan words (p. 18) states, Most loan words are also treated as though exempt from the rules governing the aspiration/non-aspiration of b/v, k/kh, and p/f when preceded by an open syllable. ALA-LC Romanization be-Polin [not: be-Folin] u-bibliyografyah [not: u-vibliyografyah] u-prozah [not: u-frozah] However, there are some foreign loan words where aspiration is included in their romanization. These exceptions include: ALA-LC Romanization bi-fsefas [not: bi-psefas] u-fsanter [not: u-psanter] u-frozdor [not: u-prozdor] Treatment is based on usage in Even-Shoshan; each word must be looked up individually, and treatment practice is recorded in the wiki<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/118838121/Foreign*20loan*20words__;JSU!!KGKeukY!yfg-EJ3eHHS5szOhcnIQC3EEM24Y_k9Oe4NerM4ZNV9SORhwnfQIksVHma3Hk7BZYTuhzHkp-pl2EhoqdCxVfg$ >. Please let me know if there are any questions. Thanks again, Jasmin ________________________________ From: Heb-naco <[email protected]> on behalf of Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2026 11:12 AM To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <[email protected]> Subject: [Heb-NACO] Be-Vartselonah Colleagues, I just got hold to 谞诪专 驻专讗 讘讘专爪诇讜谞讛 by Galyah Shekhter. (LCCN 2023530425 - OCLC #1458465053) The title was transliterated as Namer pere be-Vartselonah. I noticed that we had the same issue with be-Folin and be-Polin. Wasn't it established that the grammatical rule does not apply to non-Hebrew words? Shouldn't it be romanized as Be-Polin and Be-Bartselonah? (I updated the OCLC record) Yossi Yossi Galron-Goldschl盲ger -- 讬讜住讬 讙诇专讜谉-讙讜诇讚砖诇讙专 讟诇驻讜谉 谞讬讬讚 1.614.805.9954 Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschl盲ger<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://library.osu.edu/people/galron.1__;!!IBzWLUs!TnzrCjy5iB4X4YkVB9odlW0WjMGQvmnAuXAIKLlpXJxhBLcwF_wMXRtd99Zk-gXdDm1E2ZhtKlJbd3DVxVTua4sxy24$> Head, Hebraica & Jewish Studies Library<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/clicktime.symantec.com/35nyXVx1aw9CrjvPVzwN5of6H2?u=http*3A*2F*2Fguides.osu.edu*2Fc.php*3Fg*3D337806*26p*3D2274681__;JSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!kUTYt7T7txseqvv_MbDA40Qc8GOigrxqsE-7Zi5NkfP2ikN57ei5Adhh0Mse6Etz$> and German Language and Literature Librarian 305 G Thompson Memorial Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Ave. Mall Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA Tel.: (614) 292-3362 (office) Mobile: (614) 805-9954 E-Mail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> or [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/clicktime.symantec.com/3QFzqKM4bhoMEbRUtvt5Cwi6H2?u=http*3A*2F*2Fgo.osu.edu*2Fhebrewlit__;JSUlJQ!!KGKeukY!kUTYt7T7txseqvv_MbDA40Qc8GOigrxqsE-7Zi5NkfP2ikN57ei5Adhh0GlG_VHC$> Union List of Digitized Jewish Historic Newspapers and Periodicals http://go.osu.edu/jpress <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/clicktime.symantec.com/3T7oGBhra4qxPxXMeh5okCG6H2?u=http*3A*2F*2Fgo.osu.edu*2Fjpress__;JSUlJQ!!KGKeukY!kUTYt7T7txseqvv_MbDA40Qc8GOigrxqsE-7Zi5NkfP2ikN57ei5Adhh0OJa_eeX$> OSU Libraries Historic Jewish Pamphlets Collection https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://archive.org/details/osulhjpc__;!!KGKeukY!yfg-EJ3eHHS5szOhcnIQC3EEM24Y_k9Oe4NerM4ZNV9SORhwnfQIksVHma3Hk7BZYTuhzHkp-pl2EhqDOoK9Tw$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://archive.org/details/osulhjpc__;!!IBzWLUs!TnzrCjy5iB4X4YkVB9odlW0WjMGQvmnAuXAIKLlpXJxhBLcwF_wMXRtd99Zk-gXdDm1E2ZhtKlJbd3DVxVTueCzGQNc$>
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