Hi The solution I went for was to buy Learning GNU Emacs 3rd Edition, Cameron et al, pub O'Reilly. ISBN 0-596-00648-9
Hope this helps Vincent > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 07 July 2006 18:33 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs > > > > hello all, > > because i started the discussion i am feeling constrained to > say some words to the discussion with the background of an > emacs beginner. > first of all my motivation. the last years i worked with > ultraedit and was quite content. then i changed my job and > ultraedit wasn't available any more. i didn't want to write > a requst for buying software and so i searched with google > for an advanced open source editor which was capable of > editing columns. > i wasn't the first with that problem and nearly all answers i > found in different discussion groups pointed to emacs. as an > old friend of open source software i knew emacs and his > history but i didn't dare until yet to use it becaues all > people i know said its so complicated and time consuming to learn it. > next i went to the emacs homepage and downloaded the > win32-binaries and installed it. Looking for help i was a > little bit confused about the many links and headlines below > the point Getting Help with GNU Emacs. > next i looked at the help menu. Glad to see the point > tutorial i started to work through and after a few hours i > was ready to start. but now i was faced with typical editing > problems. for example i wanted to move a paragraph from one > point in the document to the other. in ultraedit (or notepad > or proton or ...) a quite simple task: (text marking with the > mouse C-x C-v). in emacs at the first look a little bit more > complicated or at least unfamiliar to me. i didn't found such > an example in the emacs manual and it took quite a time to > find one with google. next i wanted to delete all empty > lines, search and replace strings and so on, typical edit tasks > at least i bought the book learning ggnu emacs and after a > while i read somewhere maybe in the book maybe in the > internet that its better to open every file in the same > frame. so i came to emacsW32. because i had a problem with > the installation (my fault, look some emails before) i > thought a way to solve it would be to edit the .emacs-file. > again i looked in the manual but i didn't find something. i > was still a beginner and i didn't know at all that the > .emacs-file and elisp has the same basics. > but i stayed stiff-necked and after a lot fo attempts i > found a solution which worked but i wasn't really content. so > i wrote to the list and lennard helped me out. but i wanted a > list of all possible customization commands. the solution > came from drew adams (M-x customize-apropos-options RET . > RET). that was i looked for. and after the mails of eli i > took a second closer look to the manual and now i am quite > sure that nearly everything about emacs i can find there and > i am sure with more experience i will use the manual more > extensively. eli is also right that many internetsites are > outdated and pointing in the wrong direction. BUT if you are > a emacs-newbie, at least for me, the manual is very confusing > maybe because its so powerfull, like emacs itself. at the > first time all i had needed would be a simple document with > normal tasks: > > 1) installation and configuration (for me especially with windows) > 2) simple emacs-commandos like described in the tutorial in > the emacs help menu > 3) more extensivly examples for typical editing tasks like > search and replace, copy and paste, rectangle editing, ...and > so on. only with examples newbies can see the possibilities of emacs > 4) a few word about the .emacs file and customization > 5) a glossary with the special emacs terms > 6) and all that in a separat pdf-document > > again, i am sure everything i wrote above is integrated in > the manual but a newbie has great problems to find it and i > am sure many potential users give up after a few hours. the > best would be this pdf-file could be downloaded with the > emacs-file an a bundle or at least at the same site. > > all i wrote above is my personal experience and opinion. but > i wanted to write it to you all because you are investing so > much time for such a great project like emacs and the only i > can do now is to give you some feedback for your work with > the background of a beginner. i have installed emacs since > two weeks, i have invested a lot of time, much more time than > i have ever invested for example to learn ultraedit, but i am > confident that its an investment for the future and for me > its also a lot of fun to to discover the possibilities of > emacs. but i think it would easier to climb on the first > emacs-hill with a short introduction-document than with the > emacs bible what the manual in fact is. > > thanks to all again for your help and greetings from munich > christian > > p.s. maybe i write for myself such a document if a know more > about emacs > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Im Auftrag von Eli Zaretskii > Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Juli 2006 11:10 > An: Lennart Borgman > Cc: [email protected] > Betreff: Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs > > > Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:40:12 +0200 > > From: Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > CC: [email protected] > > > > > What, you mean your advice to use Explorer? I just saved > you from > > > RMS's wrath, that's all ;-) > > > > > > > > Firefox please ;-) > > Wed all know what most Windows users have on their boxes as > the default browser. > > > > > > >
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