i think you didn't have read my mail? i have bought this book already, but that isn't the point. if you are beginning emacs the first thing is the download-page, the second the manual, the third a tutorial in the internet, ... buying a book as first duty for beginners is for me not the right way.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Juli 2006 19:45 An: Strobl, Christian; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Betreff: RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs Hi The solution I went for was to buy Learning GNU Emacs 3rd Edition, Cameron et al, pub O'Reilly. ISBN 0-596-00648-9 Hope this helps Vincent > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 07 July 2006 18:33 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs > > > > hello all, > > because i started the discussion i am feeling constrained to say some > words to the discussion with the background of an emacs beginner. > first of all my motivation. the last years i worked with ultraedit and > was quite content. then i changed my job and ultraedit wasn't > available any more. i didn't want to write a requst for buying > software and so i searched with google for an advanced open source > editor which was capable of editing columns. > i wasn't the first with that problem and nearly all answers i found in > different discussion groups pointed to emacs. as an old friend of open > source software i knew emacs and his history but i didn't dare until > yet to use it becaues all people i know said its so complicated and > time consuming to learn it. > next i went to the emacs homepage and downloaded the win32-binaries > and installed it. Looking for help i was a little bit confused about > the many links and headlines below the point Getting Help with GNU > Emacs. > next i looked at the help menu. Glad to see the point tutorial i > started to work through and after a few hours i was ready to start. > but now i was faced with typical editing problems. for example i > wanted to move a paragraph from one point in the document to the > other. in ultraedit (or notepad or proton or ...) a quite simple task: > (text marking with the mouse C-x C-v). in emacs at the first look a > little bit more complicated or at least unfamiliar to me. i didn't > found such an example in the emacs manual and it took quite a time to > find one with google. next i wanted to delete all empty lines, search > and replace strings and so on, typical edit tasks at least i bought > the book learning ggnu emacs and after a while i read somewhere maybe > in the book maybe in the internet that its better to open every file > in the same frame. so i came to emacsW32. because i had a problem with > the installation (my fault, look some emails before) i thought a way > to solve it would be to edit the .emacs-file. > again i looked in the manual but i didn't find something. i was still > a beginner and i didn't know at all that the .emacs-file and elisp has > the same basics. > but i stayed stiff-necked and after a lot fo attempts i found a > solution which worked but i wasn't really content. so i wrote to the > list and lennard helped me out. but i wanted a list of all possible > customization commands. the solution came from drew adams (M-x > customize-apropos-options RET . > RET). that was i looked for. and after the mails of eli i took a > second closer look to the manual and now i am quite sure that nearly > everything about emacs i can find there and i am sure with more > experience i will use the manual more extensively. eli is also right > that many internetsites are outdated and pointing in the wrong > direction. BUT if you are a emacs-newbie, at least for me, the manual > is very confusing maybe because its so powerfull, like emacs itself. > at the first time all i had needed would be a simple document with > normal tasks: > > 1) installation and configuration (for me especially with windows) > 2) simple emacs-commandos like described in the tutorial in the emacs > help menu > 3) more extensivly examples for typical editing tasks like search and > replace, copy and paste, rectangle editing, ...and so on. only with > examples newbies can see the possibilities of emacs > 4) a few word about the .emacs file and customization > 5) a glossary with the special emacs terms > 6) and all that in a separat pdf-document > > again, i am sure everything i wrote above is integrated in the manual > but a newbie has great problems to find it and i am sure many > potential users give up after a few hours. the best would be this > pdf-file could be downloaded with the emacs-file an a bundle or at > least at the same site. > > all i wrote above is my personal experience and opinion. but i wanted > to write it to you all because you are investing so much time for such > a great project like emacs and the only i can do now is to give you > some feedback for your work with the background of a beginner. i have > installed emacs since two weeks, i have invested a lot of time, much > more time than i have ever invested for example to learn ultraedit, > but i am confident that its an investment for the future and for me > its also a lot of fun to to discover the possibilities of emacs. but i > think it would easier to climb on the first emacs-hill with a short > introduction-document than with the emacs bible what the manual in > fact is. > > thanks to all again for your help and greetings from munich christian > > p.s. maybe i write for myself such a document if a know more about > emacs > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Im Auftrag von Eli Zaretskii > Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Juli 2006 11:10 > An: Lennart Borgman > Cc: [email protected] > Betreff: Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs > > > Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:40:12 +0200 > > From: Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > CC: [email protected] > > > > > What, you mean your advice to use Explorer? I just saved > you from > > > RMS's wrath, that's all ;-) > > > > > > > > Firefox please ;-) > > Wed all know what most Windows users have on their boxes as the > default browser. > > > > > > >
