On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:49 AM, jjhall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What I'm more curious about is
> once I develop my app, where do I go from there?  Will Heroku be
> available as a permanent environment for some sort of fee?

Heroku as it is today is already a permanent environment.  You can
(and many do) run your production app from it.  Or use it as a
development/staging environment and deploy someplace else, or any
other combination thereof.

When we start charging for the service, it will be for apps with heavy
resource usage - that is, higher than where the caps are on the free
accounts today.  The free accounts will stay free, more or less as
they are today, forever.

> Will I be able to duplicate the Heroku environment in my own cloud instance?

Not exactly, but you can run your app on your own server or set of
servers, including a cloud provider.  You can run it anywhere you can
run Ruby and Rails, which includes most traditional hosting services,
your own box, whatever.

> Also, on a semi-related (but more off-topic) note, what does a simple
> Rails instance for a small (1-3 person) development team cost to run
> on Amazon's EC2 service?

It's not related to the size of the dev team, but rather how much
resources (cpu, memory, disk) you want for your app.  A small app can
easily be run from a single instance, which is $0.10 and hour, so at
24 hrs a day that's about $70/mo.  (This doesn't count the cost of an
IT/sysadmin/ops type person (maybe you) to keep tabs on everything,
which is actually the bigger cost on a decent-sized production site.)
If you wanted to break the database off onto its own machine, then
you're talking 2 x $70 = $140/mo, and so on.

If you're seeking do-it-yourself hosting for a small or medium sized
app, however, EC2 is probably not your best bet.  Its lack of
persistence would make for some major headaches (or at least, just a
lot of labor) for the site's maintainer.  If you're looking for the
do-it-yourself IT route, then I'd go for a traditional virtualized
host.  My favorite is slicehost.com, which I still use for a few of my
personal apps that aren't written in Ruby.

However, I've got the vast majority of my personal apps on Heroku now,
and I can't imagine going back to traditional hosting for them.  Not
having to worry about my webserver configs, database backups, mongrel
restarts, security updates, etc etc etc is worth its weight in gold.
:)

Adam

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