I have been making masks (venetian) for last few months (for BM) using diluted white glue and paper from old phone books. Because of my experiences with such, I would highly recommend using something other than white glue for waterproofing! Even painting these well dried masks caused them to become weak and flexible until the paint dried and I could only imagine rain destroying their structural integrity.
p&l - fullé On Sep 16, 2010, at 2:43 PM, RichShumaker <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes and I like it a lot. > My question is do we all want to start funneling our knowledge there? > > If that is the place we think is best with the tools we need then we > go there. > Then we can start picking through the forum and transferring the > information over. > Over the last week alone the things that have come up are > -Rain or Weatherproofing > -Alternatives to Insulation board > -Different Tapes > -Doors and Windows > -Vents > > On Sep 16, 11:22 am, Richard Ginn <[email protected]> wrote: >> There is: http://www.appropedia.org/Category:Hexayurt_project >> >> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:17 PM, RichShumaker <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Ian, >> >>> Great to hear from you. That stinks about the rain and thank you for >>> making me feel better that I missed the best time ever, hehehe. >> >>> I am working with a friend who just finished her degree in >>> Architecture. She has built cardboard houses before for school. >>> She used thinned white glue to coat the outside of the cardboard and >>> this provided quite a lot of water protection. >>> I am trying to figure out how to do this on the paper joints so they >>> don't become brittle or useless. >> >>> I think that we need to all decide on the best place to start putting >>> our 'learned' knowledge. >>> Roof Vents. Types of Tape. Types of tie downs. Places to buy >>> stuff. Cooling Systems. Ect. >> >>> I am continuing to work on Cardboard based Hexayurts. I like >>> insulation except it is moopy and bad to burn. >>> I also don't like the alien space ship effect on the Playa with tons >>> of Silver that blinds you as you walk by. >>> I want to build a Hexayurt with painted walls and cool windows which >>> is difficult to do with insulation. >>> Don't get me wrong my insulation hexy was awesome way better then the >>> Plague tent the year before. >> >>> I imagine a day when you can go to a single site and easily find all >>> the names numbers instructions and details to get this done in a day. >>> I know we have this Google group but I like Wiki's and the Google >>> Group doesn't have that. >>> I could start a TiddlyWiki and post it in the Files section but that >>> seems clunky. >>> Also things change rapidly with Hexy's it seems. Last years best >>> practice is this years biggest mistake. >>> Anyone have design experience that could make a cool 'Hexy's are Sexy' >>> Shirt? >> >>> Thank Vinay for this awesome idea. >> >>> Rich Shumaker >> >>> On Sep 15, 11:53 am, Ian Bates <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I actually did cover 4 of the panels with a mylar-like material >>> (emergency >>>> blankets that they give out by the thousands at some marathons...people >>>> simply throw them away after using them for a few minutes. I collected >>> them >>>> pretty easily), and simply taped it on with Gorilla tape. That worked >>>> pretty well for those panels. Unfortunately I placed those on the east >>> and >>>> west to help block the low-angle sun. They would have been much more >>> useful >>>> on the roof panels to preclude rain, but that would have been moot if I >>> had >>>> covered all panels. I also painted some panels with white exterior house >>>> paint, and those fared ok given the length and amount of rain we >>> received. >>>> Hexacomb is still probably not suitable for non-desert use, even if >>> covered >>>> or painted, but probably sufficient for the playa. I was also looking >>> for >>>> Hexacomb the other day and had a hard time finding plain Hexacomb. What >>> I >>>> did find was "Falcon Board"... which is essentially Hexacomb that is >>>> precoated on one side for use in display panels. Has anyone used this >>>> stuff? This might be a good alternative to petrochemical-heavy TherMax >>> HD >>>> (super hard to find) or R-Max. >> >>>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Spiral Syzygy <[email protected] >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> I would imagine that using some spray-on contact adhesive with some >>>>> mylar would remedy the water-proofing issue. Just put it on before the >>>>> edging tape to ensure the edges of the mylar don't peel up. >> >>>>> Spiral >> >>>>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Ian Bates <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>>> Rich- >>>>>> You probably remember me as the guy who came to your place in Oakland >>> to >>>>>> pick up my portion of the Hexacomb order. I used the Hexacomb >>> cardboard >>>>>> both last year and this year, to pretty good effect. However... you >>>>> missed >>>>>> this year, and specifically missed a significant rain storm on >>> Monday. >>>>>> Turns out cardboard isn't the best in rain... who knew? As much as >>> I >>>>> love >>>>>> the Hexacomb, for application on the playa, and especially off playa, >>> a >>>>>> solid waterproofing strategy needs to be implemented. Because of that >>> I >>>>> may >>>>>> not use it again, at least in isolation. This year I was half way >>> through >>>>>> tarping my structure when the rain hit, and got thoroughly soaked. >>>>> Monday >>>>>> night was miserable, and the panels were a partial loss.... they >>> fared ok >>>>>> the rest of the week, but they weren't worth taking home and reusing. >>>>>> Luckily Hexacomb burns quite nicely, so we had a little memorial >>> service >>>>>> for our home and chucked it into a burn platform at the end of the >>> week. >>>>>> Cathartic at least! So that's my two cents on the efficacy of >>> Hexacomb >>>>> as >>>>>> a building material... even on the "it never rains" playa. BTW... I >>>>> wasn't >>>>>> using tape at all. I built a very light wooden frame and used screws >>> and >>>>>> washers to attach the panels to the frame. Works quite well. I may >>> try >>>>> to >>>>>> go even lighter next year by having just a few blocks cut at angles >>> that >>>>>> serve as screw attachment points between panels... I think a bit like >>> the >>>>>> plywood Hexayurts that Vinay demonstrated in London. >>>>>> And Rich... don't worry about missing BM this year... no fun at all. >>> Too >>>>>> dusty, too hot, the art and music were a bore. Nothing missed at >>> all. >>>>> ;) >>>>>> Ian >> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Richard Shumaker < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> I missed BM this year and that is a sore topic as I am sure most >>>>>>> understand. 2 years ago I built a 6 foot high 6 foot stretch with >>>>> honeycomb >>>>>>> cardboard and my primary tape pre-playa was low cost heavy duty >>> paper >>>>> tape. >>>>>>> All folding seams and all edges. The roof was one continuous piece >>> and >>>>> the >>>>>>> walls were 2 parts. >> >>>>>>> This year I want to use white walled cardboard and tape to avoid >>> thermal >>>>>>> transfer. I am also looking at beehiving or hex-papering several >>> hex's >>>>>>> together. >> >>>>>>> Has anyone done there tie downs for zero clearance meaning no guide >>> wire >>>>>>> trips. Also has anyone overlapped hexs and removed redundant walls? >> >>>>>>> I wanted to write up the success and failures of my honeycomb yurt >>> but I >>>>>>> never had the time. Oh and bi-direcional tape on both my previous >>> yurts >>>>> was >>>>>>> shot by the end of the week. I am considering the tie down option. >>> Has >>>>>>> anyone ever used medical wrap that is re-uasble and stretchy for the >>>>>>> connection of roof and walls. Three wraps around stretched tight >>> with >>>>> it >>>>>>> anchored to itself and security taped should probably work. >> >>>>>>> One idea I don't remember reading here on this set of ideas that I >>> saw 2 >>>>>>> years ago is tie downs. Instead of rope you use tie downs that you >>>>> would >>>>>>> for your car for your corners. 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