Hey Guys - I noticed a reference to Hexacomb (basically kraft paper skins 
with more kraft paper made up as hex-comb centers - where the foam would 
be) sheets as being more environmentally friendly and politically correct 
(if you give Boise-Cascade higher marks than Dow).  What I'd like to know 
more about is the relative safety of this type of product.  Seems like 
there could be a lot of bedevilment in the details, so a fast answer seems 
less likely.  That said, does anyone have any experience of any kind with 
this product?  There's apparently a barrier to using it.  The person 
mentioning it (sorry - I can't find that post now) noted that a large order 
would need to be made to get any of this material, so I am also trying to 
gauge interest.  

Overall, it seems clear that there's a need to educate burners 
contemplating or already using hexayurts in their safe use.  The whole 
image of a yurt turning into a 10,000 degree oven in seconds is scary.  
Obviously, covering over/not using the bi-directional tape is a good first 
move but any heat source that could initiate core foam combustion creates a 
serious risk.  Other structures may be equally problematic.  Tents, even 
nominally fire-retardant ones, might behave badly fanned by high winds.  So 
here's where artist/maker "let's try this new approach" stuff meets 
reality.  It's new; it's untested.  One good thing (theoretically) about 
commercialized products is that they're made by deep pockets - people/orgs 
with (hopefully) serious things to loose by putting people at risk.  Where 
is/where should Burningman be on that continuum (artist/maker vs. 
commercial/mfr)?

Thoughts?


On Friday, August 15, 2008 2:19:05 PM UTC-7, Vinay Gupta wrote:
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> Wow. That's what I'd call BadSynergy (tm.) Did the fire on the board 
> maintain, or was it that the tape was burning off the board and then the 
> fire would go out?
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> I'm really grateful you'd doing this work, Spiral.
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> Vinay
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> On Aug 15, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Spiral Syzygy wrote:
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> Ok, so I finally got pictures off. It looks like we were only able to get 
> some video that I will post later and a single good still before the 
> batteries died. The universe was not making it easy for this experiment to 
> take place. This was the second set of batteries, the first completely 
> dead. Our grill lighter was out of fuel, leaving us to use a Bic lighter. 
> This is stupid, don't do this. 
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> So I held the bic to the board itself. A 2-3" flame would form and move a 
> few inches across the board and stop.  I tried this on the bare edge and 
> more or less the same thing happened. I held the bic on the bi-filament 
> tape edge for 3-5 seconds and in another 10 seconds the board and tape 
> looks like it does in the picture below.
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