Also, while I'd be okay that they aren't insured, I have a feeling the small cost on top would be worth it. Just bringing it up.
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Jason Adams <[email protected]> wrote: > Jay you are amazing. This seems fantastic. > > I'll reply on the form. > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Jay Batson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> UPDATE ON REPLY INSTRUCTIONS: >> >> It'll make it a LOT easier if we track replies in a google form. If >> you're merely replying as requested, please use this to provide your reply: >> >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1rN8dEm3FMGWnG3aL2d47830Pc0AQyiSOLMN4sFAzkVE/viewform?usp=send_form >> >> Use replies to this email for further discussion (only). >> >> Thanks >> -jb >> >> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 12:15:13 PM UTC-5, Jay Batson wrote: >>> >>> Hi, fellow yurt-fans - >>> >>> I’m inquiring how many people would be interested in an organized, >>> large-scale yurt storage solution, with on-playa pickup/drop-off, for >>> year-to-year storage at Burning Man. After reading this email, *RSVP >>> with answers to these three questions if interested.* If enough people >>> want this, I'll go do it. >>> >>> Questions: >>> >>> 1. How many yurts would you want to store as described here? >>> 2. Would you be ok that the trailer contents are NOT insured? >>> 3. Do you need transport to/from your camp on-Playa? And would you >>> be ok with one of the transport choices below? >>> >>> Background: >>> I suspect a large number of yurts sit unused between burns. They take >>> up valuable space in sheds / garages, or sit on (& kill) lawns. Some >>> owners pay for storage near home. Yurts transported to/from the Playa get >>> beat up (by other camp gear or ropes), and reduce gas mileage for people >>> hauling them on cars. Plus, they're just a pain in the neck to plan for & >>> transport. >>> >>> This seems silly. Lots of big BM camps put stuff in semi-trailers, haul >>> them on/off playa & store them in Gerlach between burns. Why not do that >>> with trailers full of Yurts? >>> >>> Plan: >>> Here's my goals. (Read "GOALS"; this is an in-process plan, and is not >>> yet a firm offer. ;-) >>> >>> - 1+ dry, enclosed semi-trailers 100% devoted to and optimized for >>> yurt storage. No camp gear. Period. (# trailers depends on demand. I'm >>> currently targeting 50-55 yurts / trailer.) >>> - Random access. A key planning goal is that nobody should have to >>> wait for the trailer to be unloaded to get their yurt. Show up, pull your >>> yurt, go to your camp. >>> - I’ve been using a 3D CAD package and have identified a loading >>> scheme that enables this. >>> - Available readily on-Playa for yurt pick-up & drop-off. >>> Hopefully: >>> - Placed somewhere between 5:30-6:30 and F-H. >>> - Arrives at least Thursday before gate open (if not earlier), >>> and leaves Tuesday or Wednesday after the burn. >>> - Unattended, locked trailers. Those with yurts in storage would be >>> given the combination to a lock on the trailer doors. Burners GOTTA LOCK >>> THE DOOR behind them as they leave. :-) >>> - Dependability & quality. Your shelter matters. >>> >>> Other details: >>> >>> - Wrapping. Yurts must be package-wrapped in a tarp (use your floor >>> tarp), with straps to keep it tight enough to be dragged along the >>> trailer >>> floor ON EDGE. Maximum 1/4” ply sandwich; prefer 1/8” ply. >>> - It'd be best if every yurt wrap also had the owners name stenciled >>> on the tarp. No matter what, there will be string tags that attach to >>> every >>> yurt along the edge visible when stored. >>> - If practical, there'll be a chart showing where every owner's >>> yurt is packed once the trailer is fully packed. >>> - All fees paid pre-burn. >>> - Contents insured? TBD. I have no cost quotes yet; but I'm betting >>> trailer contents insurance will cost $thousands/year, which drives up >>> costs >>> a LOT - maybe by $50/yurt. >>> >>> Target cost: $200 / yurt / year for H12 with 1” foam (14" thick >>> allowance). Other yurt sizes TBD, but proportionate. E.g. 1-1/2” foam >>> is a 50% price premium. This price is still WILDLY subject to change. >>> >>> On-Playa transport: Early discussions with people have revealed a need >>> for a way to haul yurts between the trailer & camps. I’m VERY early >>> in thinking about this. Single yurts can be transported from the trailer to >>> your camp on the roof of whatever car you came in - even without a rack. >>> But camps with many yurts may need bulk transport. I've started looking >>> for flatbed trailers that can hold 10 (or so) yurts, towed behind a pickup. >>> Like the semi-trailer, this needs purchased, and it's costly enough that >>> transport needs to be an incremental charge. Here's my early thoughts on >>> that: >>> >>> - Bulk transport at pre-arranged times. ($20/yurt 1-way, $40/yurt >>> round trip). Camps with lots of yurts would pre-arrange for pickup >>> (pre-burn!). >>> - Transport on fixed, scheduled route. ($25/yurt 1-way, $50/yurt >>> RT). Designed for people with one, or a couple of yurts, but no car, who >>> have friends. Use friends to carry your yurt a couple streets, and wait >>> for >>> the flatbed, which runs all the way around the Playa on one ring street - >>> e.g. H street. Runs Saturday-Monday (both weekends), from 2:00(street) >>> &H and running clockwise to 10:00/H. Runs 2x/day (starts at 11am & >>> 4pm). >>> - Single yurt transport on demand. ($30/yurt, $60 RT). This is the >>> biggest waste of resources, so comes at a premium cost. It should be >>> discouraged. >>> - Requires volunteers to drive the truck / trailer! Like >>> pickup/dropoff, nobody wants to spend their entire burn handling yurts. >>> - (Note: I'm looking at various cart ideas that can be pushed / >>> pulled. I don't want to complicate this thread with a discussion on that. >>> Start another thread. ;-) >>> >>> RSVP by replying to this email. Please delete all the text other than >>> the questions / answers, to keep the thread readable. >>> Thanks >>> -jb >>> >>> PS - Here's some other after-notes: >>> >>> - I’m coordinating with Hal Muskat on this, since he’s been doing >>> some storage to-date. My aim is to dramatically grow the size / >>> capabilities in order to drive down costs & increase availability. >>> - I'm working on balancing this being a for-fee service in the >>> presence of a gifting economy. I'm comfortable with this proposal as-is >>> for >>> two reasons: >>> >>> >>> 1. Widespread precedent. There are already many vendors who charge >>> for transport on/off playa, and provide storage off-site. Lots of >>> camps >>> already use such services. The concept is already a fact of life in >>> Burning >>> Man. BRYST becomes merely one more of those vendors, happily focused >>> on >>> yurt owners. >>> 2. I intend to set this up as a "public benefit corporation". >>> (Google that if needed, or see here >>> <http://benefitcorp.net/quick-faqs>.) I want an operating >>> form that gives me the ability to operate quickly and independently; >>> lots >>> of last-minute stuff needs to get done at Burning Man, and I frankly >>> don't >>> want to have to track down a bunch of burners on-playa to because some >>> expenditure needs a majority decision. >>> >>> BUT, my goal is NOT profit; I don't need money. My goal is to >>> benefit burners. The public benefit corporation structure works >>> perfect for >>> this. I'll make the corp's stated purpose be to benefit burners who >>> own yurts, and will issue an annual report on how well it is doing. >>> (Using, >>> e.g. NPS score, transparency in financial costs, etc. It needs to be >>> lightweight, but accurate & transparent.) >>> >>> I'll aim to operate at roughly break-even. (Actually, I'll aim to >>> be slightly cash-positive to create reserves for unexpected future >>> costs >>> like trailer repair, etc.) >>> >>> I believe this to be consistent with Burning Man ethos; I welcome >>> discussion on this topic. >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "hexayurt" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hexayurt" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hexayurt. 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