> > The idea is to not implement everything by ourselves.
> > We use Eclipse as platform that supplies basic Java IDE capabilities.
> > ORM Studio is not just XML editor. It works with both Java source code and
> > XML mappings at the same time and in future with database schema.
> 
> This is a valid view, of course. If you look at it from the other side,
> which is our users and your customers, you mandate a specific
> environment because you don't implement everything yourself. Both views
> have advantages and drawbacks for each party. 

We had to make a choice and we did it using experience with another our
tool (Struts Studio). At the beginning it was a standalone Swing based tool,
but customers demanded integration with existing IDEs. So, basicaly we
dropped Swing and ported it to SWT. Now it seems that it was right choice.

> I'd personally have the GUI mapping features first, and the integration
> with source files and IDE second, because of that comparison. Roundtrip
> and integrated development is, in my experience, the last thing you
> need, not the first. I agree that synchronization in an IDE would be
> nice, but is it really more important than the primary objective, a GUI
> mapping tool? 
> 
> I also think you will double the audience for that tool if you provide
> it either standalone or also as an IntelliJ plugin. Shouldn't be a big
> deal if you kept the UI/plugin interfaces separate.

Certainly, we will have standalone package, which will include Eclipse itself.
Just 80 megs more than plugin package :)
It is not that easy to make plugins for multiple IDEs.
Many plugins advertise support for several IDEs, but in fact what most of them
have is a button or menu item that launches plugin as separate application.

> Anyway, I'll check it out if I ever try Eclipse again, and it will
> certainly help some of our Eclipse users. 

That would be great to have an opinion from Hibernate developers.

Valeriy



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