Saya boleh cari contact Ustaz Hassan Din kalau perkara ini perlu. Tapi
bagi saya tak payahlah kita menyahut cabaran yang kurang sihat dari
orang yang tak berapa sihat ni.
Kalau tak salah saya yang sambut cabaran Ustaz Harun Din ni (bukan
Hassan Din) ialah Ustaz Fikri, seorang pendakwah Islam. Dulunya Ustaz
Fikri ni ialah seorang mubaligh Hindu, tetapi setelah dibukakan hatinya
oleh Allah SWT, maka sekarang Ustaz Fikri menjadi seorang Islam dan
Muslim yang sangat dedikasi kepada Islam.
akan tetapi cabaran Ustaz Fikri dulu bukanlah dalam bentuk mistik dan
sihir macam yang dibuat oleh Ambrose ini, tetapi lebih kepada cabaran
untuk berdebat sahaja.
>>> The Oman 30/12/2005 16:20:38 >>>
Saudara/i boleh forwardkan e-mail ini kepada ustaz Hassan Din Al-hafiz
(maaf, saya tak ada contact number dan tak tahu bagaimana hendak
menghubungi beliau). Saya ada mendengar cerita yang beliau pernah
dicabar oleh seorang mubaligh hindu tentang kesahihan agama Islam.
Akhirnya mubaligh hindu tersebut telah mengucap kalimah shahadah setelah
mendapat hidayah ALLAH dan kini beliau sendiri menjadi pendakwah Islam.
Cerita sepenuhnya saya tak tahu dan saya sendiri sedang mencarinya.
p/s: boleh saudara/i berikan website sangkancil.
Wassalam
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Assalamualaikum,
Saya disini menyertakan cabaran seorang beragama Hindu
untuk berdebat dengan ulamak Muslim/Islam mengenai
kesahihan Agama Islam yang dituduhnya meniru adat
penyembahan Hindu. Sehingga kini tiada netters dalam
forum Sangkancil yang berani menyahut cabaran beliau.
Diharap ada dikalangan foumners hidayahnet yang mampu
menerima cabaran debat beliau tersebut.
Wassalam
Art
Quoran >> Muslims challenging the idol worship of
Hinduism
Vanakkam GNH,
So far couple of guys approached but not sure whether
they are mean
in accepting the challenge. They seemed to talk but no
action until now.
Never mind give them time. Let them consult the bomohs
(witch doctor)
and get some talisman or charm things for their
protection before the
event. It will be a good chance for them to learn the
truth whether the
demons protection can help them against idol of Hindu
God / Goddess.
If no one come forward for the challenge then we are
the winners. What
ever in the quoran verses considered are false and
contain full of lies.
This is the only way in practical challenge they
(muslim) can show the
world that theirs is the true way. I hope they never
miss this opportunity.
This matter was going on for last 1400 years. In this
century one had to
make decision either to stop accusing or stop
worshipping. I want this
challenging event should be held with large public
knowledge and not
close door.
BTW, after 30th (full dark moon), I am starting 100
days meditation
prayer and I don't have much time to reply most
messages. During this
period I need you favour. I want you to forward my
challenging
messages to hardcore muslim countries media / press /
religious authorities
departments, etc. I had attached some condition for
the participant.
Don't worry about snipers and suicide bombers. If they
tried they are
admitting themselves as losers.
Best regards,
Ambrose.
Some term and condition:
Date and time will be fixed after 12 international
participants registered
with me. Before this you have to do as below:
1. Get a permission letter from your country top
Muslim religious bodies
saying that you are representing their country. I
must get their
endorsement first before you meet any press and
media in your
country.
2. Then you have to send your particulars plus the
endorsement letter to
my lawyer so he can apply police permit and make
this event official
and legal.
3. You have to prepare a list of every verses from
Quoran which condemn
idol worshippers. Also the verses branded as outlaw
(kafir, etc) only for
the idol worshippers. What are the punishments for
the branded outlaws.
(You can send the list to the groups).
4. After receiving confirm letter from my lawyer of
your participation
confirmation, either my agent or yourself will
arrange a press and media
confrence in your country.
5. In the confrence you had to provide the list you
had prepared as in claus
(3) to the journalist.
6. All the cost of the participation born by you or
sponsored by your country
Muslim religious body.
gnh wrote:
> Ambrose Keep us informed of this
Challenge............... but I doubt they dare face
you in OPEN challenge .... But be careful of the
snipers and suicide bombers though ~
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From:Ambrose
> >
> Dear All (Vanakkam),
>
> My name is Mr. Ambrose, fifty-three years of
age, and a Malaysian Tamil (Indian). I was raised in a
fanatic Christian family. I started to learn about
religion in my adulthood and discovered that religion
represented moral authority to the followers. Only the
Hindu religion does not enforce any compulsion over
the individual believers.
>
> In Hinduism, there are hundreds of Gods /
Goddesses and anyone can choose whom they wanted to
worship, freely and without any external interference.
This had made me to concentrate on Hinduism. I
discovered many things by communicating directly with
Gods/Goddesses, which many who were born Hindus still
do not realize. Everyone wishes for miracles and inner
spiritual power in his / her life. I received these
miracles and spiritual power from the Lord Muniswarer.
He appeared to me midnight at a jungle temple and
taught me basic Hindu principles. From that night
onwards I started to think like a Hindu. Openly
praying to Hindu Gods and Goddesses, I still retain my
Christian name Ambrose. I have shared my experiences
with internet forum groups. I am proud to say that I
have never learnt Hinduism from books or scriptures or
any human gurus. Lord Muniswarer and his allied
Gods/Goddesses taught all the understanding direct to
me.
>
> After reading my experiences, many book-soaked
Hindus doubt me. Even some Hindus advise me to change
my name to a Hindu-sounding one before I start to
preach. Actually I do no preach. I prayed to the Gods
over this matter of doubtful Hindus, and the Gods
asked me not to worry. These Hindus were praying and
offering their whole life to God/Goddess. The Gods
never appeared to them, but communicated via another
human through a trance. The Gods told me that these
so-called Hindus were jealous of me because a
Christian guy like me has been able to see the Hindu
Gods. The Gods told me not to change my name but to
continue to tell the truth. They told me, "The one who
needs to, must approach us and ask. We know to whom we
should offer our blessings, even though they pray to
us day and night."
>
> I wrote to the sangkancil and akandabaratham
forum group about the truth of Hinduism. Some Muslims
got upset. They threatened me with lynching,
blackmail, and reporting to the infamous Malaysian
Police. First, read what I had written - " All must
know that Hindu ritual practice were done in the
earliest stages. Only Islam came later by tailoring
some facts. For example, the Hindus will go round a
Siva temple seven times and offer the gifts to the
icon God or Goddess. In the Siva temple, prayers are
offered five times daily. It is the morning, noon,
afternoon, evening and late evening by the priest. It
is not compulsory for every Hindu devotee to pray five
times daily, unless they wanted to impress with their
holier-than-thou facade.
>
> Why has one to go round seven times, especially
in the Temple of Lord Siva? To reach Lord Siva one had
to cross seven seas. The Serpent Virgin Ladies (Naga
Kanni Amman) was guarding each sea. (The seas must
consider as mind waves). Each lady must permit you to
the next destination. Destinations can be considered
as seven rooms guarded heavily by these serpent virgin
ladies. After all the seven virgin ladies gave you the
permission, then we can see our Lord Siva. We Hindu
devotees don't have to travel to Mecca to perform the
ritual. One can stay where they are and practice
meditation and mantra.
>
> BTW, we Hindus don't mind any Muslims praying to
the Black Stone in the Kaabah, because our Almighty
Hindu God, Lord Siva Linggam sits there. Actually
Muslims big brother Mohammed knew the truth. He
fasted for forty-eight days (Wow! the Quoran forgot
the number of days!) By fasting his third eye opened,
and he had to pass through seven virgin ladies one by
one to open the doors so finally he was able to meet
the Lord Siva.
>
> So with respect to the Lord Siva, Muslims big
brother followed the annual ritual, going round seven
times to open the doors. On the final round instead of
meeting Lord Siva, he kissed the stone. That is the
truth. The Arab followers were just following what
Muslims big brother did in his life but know not the
true reason.
>
> We Hindus perform the rituals once a year by
wearing white loin clothes over the body and cut or
shave the hair. This hair was offered as devotee's
karma to be forgiven of his / her sin. Did you notice
the Muslim following the same rituals by cutting or
shaving the hair and wearing white loin clothes when
they perform the Hajj in Mecca? NO question should be
asked. It is called ritual practice in Islam. It is
alright for Islam to promote ritual practices but the
non-Muslims can't! What a silly mentality!
>
> Why has Muslims to pray five times a day? The
Linggam Stone (Lord Siva) has five types of power. To
represent praying five times by facing the direction
of the black stone to bow and prostrate, asking the
same power from God to bestow towards one who is
praying. Muslims should understand that angel Gabriel
gave the black stone. Who is this angel Gabriel? In
Hinduism, angel Gabriel was "Lord Naga Linggeswarer".
When the Muslims are criticizing non-believers'
worshipping idols / icons as Satan, what is Kaaba,
black stone, and two satan pillars made of?
>
> Later, the same upset Muslims wrote me saying
that Hindus, like other pagans, worship useless,
lifeless objects which can be pissed upon, and has no
ability to do anything. If anyone spit on any of the
idols that I worship, they will not move one bit.
Besides they criticize my idol worshipping even to the
length of using foul languages. They label me "kafir"
and demand that I should be killed according to Islam.
>
> The truth is that I am worshipping the idols of
snake, lion, monkey, etc and the Hindu God/ Goddess,
iron trisulam (iron spear) and simple red bricks. The
Lord Muniswarer taught me "Durga Kothiram Hinduism".
In this Durga Kothiram I offer goats and chickens
sacrifices to the non-vege God/Goddess. Many believe
it is just an object. Yes! It is an object. But
according to Maya world (science call it magic world)
there are Gods present in the idols, which I worship.
Only those who can penetrate the Maya world are able
to see the ghosts, spirits, jinn, God, etc in the
objects. If one practices meditation for years one is
able to gain power in one's spiritual life. One can
then look back at their previous lives, etc. Another
short cut to achieve this power within six months is
to insert a golden needle into the body. This method
can be done only by powerful mediums or witch doctors.
Remember not all can do this - there are lots of fakes
around. So don't waste your money and get into
trouble.
>
> I can see life in my idols. But it's very hard
to prove the existence of God in the idols. For 1400
years the Muslims showed hatred towards idol
worshippers and brand them as kafirs. This has made
Muslims being seen in negative light by the others,
and usually associated with terrorist cults. Islam is
not a religion of peace, because the actions prove
they are violent and irrational. Actually we cannot
blame the Muslims from acting this way. It is not
their fault that they have been misled. The only fault
in Islam was their stupid book written by unknown
writers 1400 years ago. That book contradicts itself
in so many places. Even the so-called educated Muslims
can't comprehend it.
>
> In this 21st century, all of us must put and end
the stupid thinking of hatred and live in peace. So to
this end, I am inviting the Muslims worldwide to take
this challenge. Well, I am calling these Muslims to
come forward to accept the challenge of spitting,
kicking and pissing on one of the temples in Malaysia
arranged by myself. In this temple there are no
statues, but only ant-hill, trisulam (iron spear) and
one red brick (as a statue). Now the Muslim must get
reality in themselves and prove to me (and other
Hindus) that worshipping is not worth, lifeless and
can't be harmed by any Hindu God/Goddess from the
idols, by accepting the challenge. It is cowardly
writing of the Muslims showing their stupidity against
Hinduism. Prove to the Hindus by spitting, kicking
and pissing on the Hindu Idols. I need twelve true
Islam believers around the globe to come forward and
participate in this challenge. To do this, you have to
follow the following conditions:
>
> 1. Send me the identity card / passport copy
plus any other contact particulars to my email. I will
use this information to apply for a police permit to
perform this act legally.
>
> (Note: If police permit allowed, my country
Malaysia have faith in Islam. If not allowed, the
public must be aware that Islam fears losing this
challenge and Hindu Gods/Goddesses will harm them.
There is no worry about security concerns because it
will be highlighted in the press, and held publicly. )
>
> 2. Not more than one participant from any one
country. I would prefer Mullahs to accept the
challenge especially from Saudi Arabia, Iran,
Malaysia, Indonesia, India, US, UK, Australia, France,
Jordan, Egypt and Pakistan. If Mullahs are afraid to
participate, they can appoint any other Muslims to
take part, but top Muslim bodies of their countries
should endorse him.
>
> 3. The date and time for the event must be
highly publicized around the globe. It can take place
in six months or more.
>
> 4. After the event, if nothing happens to the
participants (natural happenings) within nine days
then I will accept that Islamic teachings are true.
>
> 5. If something happens to the 12 participants
within 9 days, then the Muslims should accept that
Quoran is false. They should remove the verses of
hatred from the Quoran and start with new beautiful
Islam.
>
> Above are simple conditions. There are so many
Muslims (including newly converters) around the globe
talking with foul mouth against Hinduism without the
proper knowledge. They think Hinduism is backward as
1400 years ago, not knowing how things have changed.
Muslims must not chicken out of this challenge, and be
brave enough to prove their religion is the true
religion.
>
> NOTE: Recipients of this message should forward
to as many groups and friends to let others know of
this challenge.
>
> By this challenge, I will prove to the world
that my Hindu Gods / Goddesses are present in the
idols that I (and all Hindus) am worshipping. Surely
some Hindus will object to this Challenge. Why? They
don't have faith in their own Gods / Goddesses.
>
> May the Hindu Gods/Goddesses Bless Everyone!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> OM SIVAYA NAMAHA
> Ambrose
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> hidekn id saya.guna zam.
>
> Assalamualaikum.....
>
> heran...kalau dia posted apa-apa mengikut statistik
> tak apa tapi kalau ada
> org lain balas dan mengikut statistik yg tak ikut
> dia marah. tak kisah la
> tu. masing-masing punya hak dan pendapat.
> masing-masing punya hak nak
> tunjuk berapa banyak statistik pun.
>
> maafkan saya kalau apa yang bakal saya perkatakan ni
> menyinggungkannnn.....terutama kat CIK SURIA kita
> yang begitu lantang
> memperkecilkan pendapat orang lain.
>
> ** boarding school untuk
> sapa...............JAWAPANNYA.......tetap MELAYU
> tapi untuk anak-anak org kaya. walaupun berasal dari
> luar bandar tapi tetap
> berkemampuan.......
>
> ** IPTA untuk sapa..........JAWAPANNYA.......memang
> untuk melayu tapi tetap
> untuk anak-anak org kaya. tak ada kabel kuat susah
> nak masuk. Yg bagusnya
> CIK SURIA pernah kata org-org KELANTAN kurang
> pendidikan & tak
> berkemampuan....sekarang ni dah terbukti ramainya
> anak-anak kelantan di
> IPTA2...itu pun selepas kuota2 untuk org kaya ni dah
> dipenuhi.
>
> ** PTPTN & MARA......kalau MARA saya memang percaya
> untuk anak-anak Melayu
> yang berkemampuan tapi kalau PTPTN semua pun di
> bagi.....especially pada
> anak-anak org kaya....MELAYU??????......memang
> MELAYU tapi pilih
> bulllllu......
>
> jawapan-jawapan yanh lain tu biarlah dijawap oleh
> org lain.
>
> jaga sikit lah bahasa yang kita nak gunakan. tak
> salah kita gunakan
> kemudahan yang office bagi. bila free......
>
> apa yg dibalas cuma suatu pandangan. saya rasa
> mereka-mereka ni berkata
> berdasarkan statistik gak. tak yah nak berperibahasa
> menyakitkan hati
> orang. pernah ke cik suria buat apa-apa atas apa
> yang
> dihantar....kebelakangan ni selepas di'gasak' teruk
> di en. ruhaizan bahasa
> cik suria kurang enak.........kalau nak
> dihormati......hormat lah pada org
> lain dulu......
>
> 2 sekadar pandangan saya.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> @
>
> Sent by: To:
> [email protected]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:
>
> groups.com Subject:
> Bismillah [hidayahnet] Re: Kadar
>
> Kemiskinan di Terengganu Naik....
>
>
> 12/15/2005 04:32
>
> PM
>
> Please respond
>
> to hidayahnet
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> tak tau lah fakta ni datang dari mana....ada kajian
> ke? rasanya
> dalam hati saudara ni penuh dengan kebencian apa pun
> kerajaan buat
> tak ada yang elok di pandangan mata...saya boleh
> cerita apa kerjaan
> BN buat untuk memajukan orang melayu especially ni
> tapi semua ni off
> record takut jadi 13 mei sekali lagi or saya masuk
> kamunting....cuba
> fikirkan ...ni interm of education only as i am part
> of the system...
> -tiap kali result upsr keluar kenapa calon di luar
> bandar ramai dpt
> 5A?
> -boarding school di bina untuk siapa ya?
> - setiap tahun pertambahan pembinaan boarding
> school?
> -sape yang ramai di ipta?
> -matrikulasi untuk sapa?
> -pelajar terbaik setiap tahun dari bandar ke luar
> bandar?
> -biasiswa yang banyak2 tu untuk sapa? sape yang nama
> berderet keluar
> paper tak bayar pinjaman mara/ptptn?
> -uitm wujud hampir di semua negeri di malaysia utk
> sape ya?
> bandingkan dgn tar college.
>
> ada lagi list yang off record...dan jgn lupa kaum
> lain di malaysia
> ni pun buat perkara yang sama utk kaum masing2
> sampai ke perkara
> yang sekecil kuman pun....
> -saya baru posted statistic tentang kadar kemiskinan
> nanti boleh
> refer sendiri...
> -lastly cubalah bersihkan hati sikit, think
> positive...action is
> better than word...bising macam anjing menyalak
> bukit action satu
> apa pun tak ambil buat penat tangan aja tekan
> keyboard..lagilah
> kalau guna waktu kerja/computer office/inernet
> office utk melayan
> email ni semua...tak berkat gaji bawa balik
> rumah...hati jadi panas
> selalu....
> -kalau kita orang beriman dan berilmu kat mana kita
> tercampak pun
> tak kan goyang iman..pokok pangkalnya iman mesti
> kukuh tak kira sapa
> pun pemerintah..ingat kisah si tukang sikat rambut
> tuan puteri,
> mashitah dan boss dia si firaun?
> -fikirkan apa sumbangan anda untuk agama? bangsa?
> dan negara?
>
> bukan penyokong BN/PAS jauh sekali
>
>
> --- In [email protected], Sawayaka Hito
> wrote:
> >
> > 'Biar statistik yg bercakap'... Ni statistik nak
> 'bercakap' pula
> perihal keterbilangan pemerintahan BN setalah
> menguasai Terengganu
> (sila baca article dari Harakahdaily Online
> dibwh)...
> >
> > Lepas ni kita saksikan pula 'universiti' yg mcm
> mana yg bakal
> muncul di Kelantan ('janji manis' pilihanraye)..
> Nampaknya mulai
> hari ni, kpd rakyat Kelantan yg bercita2 nak jadi
> pelacur tu tak
> perlu susah payah ke luar daerah/negeri/negara...
> Segala 'kelengkapan/prasarana maksiat' akan
> tumbuhlah laksana
> cendawan tumbuh slps hujan spt di kebanyakan negeri
> di Malaysia
> Hadhari ni... Dan kemungkinan besar kes2 aurat
> (tudung), pertukaran
> jantina, pertukaran aqidah tidak akan kedengaran
> langsung di dewan2
> kabinet/parlimen sbb semua tu akan jadi isu
> remeh-temeh.. Isu ketuk-
> ketampi, isu mewarnakan rambut (yg dah jadi hukum
> harus), isu
> filem 'Puteri Gunung Ledang' hebat pulak
> di'kokok-kokok' dilaung-
> laung... Entah b'manalah kamus istilah 'remeh-temeh'
> yg ditetapkan
> oleh ustaz, ustazah, menteri2 Islam hadhari ni ye...
> Dan bersedialah
> rakyat Kelantan utk 'menikmati' pula kenaikan kos
> kehidupan tinggi
> dgn harga barang, harga itu, harga ini yg bakal
> menjelma tak lama
> lagi....
> >
> > Sesungguhnya, bukan 'nasib PAS yg berada
> dihunjung tanduk' bak
>
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