|
PHL is a large site though, and there is already alot of
hl news, so I think they have to filter out the stuff which they think only a
few people will want to read
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 4:36
AM
Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging &
PHL Monopoly
<rant> PHL is very strange when it comes to new I think. I
sent them some pimpage about a mod called The Wind and they seem to just throw
away my email. I then sent them email about my site ModDev.net and once
again they threw away my email (multiple times) finally, I sent them [1]
letter about The Wind which had a screenshot and it was literally up in
minutes. They seem very particular about what they post it seems.
I mean if I mailed them and was announcing Counter-Strike 2 but had no
content, no images, nadda they would spiel for pages whereas I send them
something about Mod X and they throw out the email
instantanously.</rant>
Lakario
----- Original Message -----
From:
andrew
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 11:07
PM
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging
& PHL Monopoly
I would have to agree with a little on the PHL subject,
since they seem to
take over most of the MOD Coverage seen just because
they get backing from
gamespy. they really seem to be picky on what they
host and post about. It
really pisses me off when some of the little
lesser know mods never get
there info posted on the site. About the FP
charging issue, i have a
personal server thing myself and i can say when
FP was in the shitter
because of the whole file hosting thing and setup
this que it really screwed
over downloading from therem. When the new HL
patch came out it was almost a
2000min wait that is BS and i in most
cases do not like there system and i
think charging is lame and i agree
with those who see the same in that sence
Wacko
----- Original
Message -----
From: "Miguel Aleman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001
7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging & PHL
Monopoly
> See, I would be ok with Fileplanet letting people
pay extra for "Dedicated
> Servers" if they didn't fuck their public
ones. I never had a problem
before
> the que was setup, it was just
alittle slow. Now its REALLY slow if you
take
> into account 15
min+ wait times. Also, if you haven't noticed, they have
ads
>
which you cannot close in the wait window. $$$
>
> Also, is it
just me, or does PlanetHL screw some mods and make other ones?
> It
seems they have a fetish with some mediocre mods and leave some
good
ones
> out.
>
> ----- Original Message
-----
> From: "omega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 29,
2001 4:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP
charging
>
>
> > if you read what i said, i did say
that some do.
> >
> > -omega
> > Blackened
Interactive
> > http://www.nofadz.com/blackened
> > IRC:
irc.gamesnet.net channel: #blackened-interactive
> > Assistant
Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com)
> >
> > -----
Original Message -----
> > From: "Neale Roberts"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday,
December 29, 2001 3:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP
charging
> >
> >
> > > Actually, the GSI staff
*do* get paid, as do some of the Planet*.com
> > >
webmasters.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message
-----
> > > From: "omega"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Friday,
December 28, 2001 3:28 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP
charging
> > >
> > >
> > > > ive been
away for most of the day so i didnt get back in on this
stuff
>
> > till
> > > > now.
> > > >
>
> > > but anyway, thats basically what im saying. the services now
are
> almost
> > > > exactly the same as they were
before, 9x out of 10 theres one free
> > mirror,
> > >
> and 2 personal servers on stuff that used to have 3 mirrors.
>
> > >
> > > > so again, i re-iterate. i will not pay
to download the free things.
> also
> > > > phantom, as
you said al ittle while ago. gsi staff dosent get paid.
> > >
neither
> > > > does phl or any of the other planet
workers.
> > > > well, jeh and LI might. cuz i know back when
hl.net went down they
> > offered
> > > > shirow a
buncha money to work for them, even tho he declined.
> > >
>
> > > > -omega
> > > > Blackened
Interactive
> > > > http://www.nofadz.com/blackened
>
> > > IRC: irc.gamesnet.net channel: #blackened-interactive
>
> > > Assistant Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com)
>
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>
> > > From: "Andrew Foss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 8:35 PM
> > > > Subject: Re:
[hlcoders] FP charging
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > Has anyone ever tired to get the Counter-Strike patch on
it's
> release?
> > > The
> > > > > same
time 1.1.0.8 came out? I had wait times of 850 minutes. at
1000
>
> > > logins
> > > > > allowed per server, two
servers. and two 90mb files. that's not
> > > economics.
>
> > > > that's scalping. FP lowered it's max connects to make
room for the
> > > > personal
> > > > >
servers. all you get is a unique U/P to connect to the FP servers.
>
it
> > > > costs
> > > > > them nothing but
a little time to do. FP is basically a monopoly.
> >
hard
> > > to
> > > > > believe, eh? they used
to be good, but now they are a spammy,
slow,
> > lame
>
> > > FTP
> > > > > site, with long lines.
</rant>
> > > > >
> > > > > -----
Original Message -----
> > > > > From: _Phantom_
>
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 4:43 PM
> > > >
> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging
> > > > >
>
> > > >
> > > > > That's not really ethics,
it's economics (sp?), those who can
afford
> > to
> >
> > buy
> > > > > the space and the speed will,
those who cant wont.
> > > > > ----- Original Message
-----
> > > > > From: Dynerman David M
> > >
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:36 AM
> > > > >
Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > > Right.
> > > >
>
> > > > > Both your points are right on.
> >
> > >
> > > > > However, thinking more in the
realistic sense - I've seen wait
times
> > of
> > >
> 700
> > > > > minutes for a download during peak
times.
> > > > >
> > > > > So the
ethical question again arises; sure you can wait several
>
hours
> > to
> > > > > download that 2 megabyte
mod, or you can dish out the $7.
> > > > >
> >
> > > david
> > > > >
> > > > >
-----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: John Newfield
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, December
28, 2001 5:31 PM
> > > > > To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Re:
[hlcoders] FP charging
> > > > >
> > > >
> It would be selling your work ONLY if they said that the only
way
to
> > get
> > > > the
> > > >
> file would be to own a personal server.
> > > >
>
> > > > > I actually love fileplanet.. the queue
system works great. Instead
> of
> > a
> > > >
lot
> > > > > of people having slow downloads, a portion
of them can have really
> > fast
> > > > >
downloads while the rest wait. I have never waited too long for
> >
> > something...
> > > > > ----- Original Message
-----
> > > > > From: _Phantom_
> > > >
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent:
Friday, December 28, 2001 5:40 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re:
[hlcoders] FP charging
> > > > >
> > > >
> But, the point is, they are not selling your work, they
are
selling
> a
> > > > faster
> > >
> > download (either speed, or not having to queue or both) the
fact
> that
> > > it's
> > > > >
something you want to download is inmaterial (sp?).
> > > >
> Also, in the case of FLF it's a HL mod, which, by the nature
of
the
> > EULA
> > > > you
> > >
> > are not allowed to charge for, now, if you tried to make FP pay
u
> some
> > > > > money, you break the EULA coz you
are making money from the MOD.
> > > > > FP on the other
hand are not charging for the mod, they are
charging
> >
for
> > > > the
> > > > > service used to
get the mod, yes, but not the mod it's self.
> > > >
>
> > > > > This is an intresting area, because this is
the first time
something
> > > like
> > > >
> this has happened as far as I know (a company opionaly
charging
for
> > the
> > > > > method of
getting the files and not the files its self), and as
you
> >
can
> > > > see
> > > > > from my above
arguement it's a very gray area.
> > > > > ----- Original
Message -----
> > > > > From: Dynerman David M
>
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 9:13 PM
> > > >
> Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging
> > > > >
>
> > > > Well of course I won't complain - I want people to be
able to
> download
> > > my
> > > > >
mod.
> > > > >
> > > > > Additionally,
the law isn't reactive like you're implying. With
> large
> >
> > > corporations such as GSI, I shouldn't have to patrol FP
looking
for
> > > > > violations - they should not be
breaking the law in the first
place.
> > > > >
>
> > > > What we're discussing is the ethical implications of
FP
essentially
> > > making
> > > > > money
off our work.
> > > > >
> > > > >
david
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original
Message-----
> > > > > From: _Phantom_
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Friday,
December 28, 2001 2:10 PM
> > > > > To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Re:
[hlcoders] FP charging
> > > > >
> > > >
> If you have a problem with it, complain to them, as it yours
you
> have
> > > the
> > > > > right to
do that.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----
Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Dynerman David
M
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 8:00 PM
> >
> > > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging
> > > >
>
> > > > > What do you mean by predetermined
agreement.
> > > > >
> > > > > If they
snag a new version of FLF off some other mirror where I
> >
uploaded
> > > > it
> > > > > to, that's
not getting my permission.
> > > > >
> > >
> > david
> > > > >
> > > > >
-----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Nathan Taylor
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, December
28, 2001 1:20 PM
> > > > > To: HLCoders
> > >
> > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] FP charging
> > > >
>
> > > > > What makes you say that? Isn't it
possible that there was a
> > > predetermined
> > >
> > agreement?
> > > > >
> > > > >
----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Dynerman
David M
> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 2:07
PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > > > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] FP charging
> > >
> >
> > > > > Right.
> > > >
>
> > > > > But as a mod author, what choice do you
have for large scale file
> > > > > distribution if you
refuse to use FilePlanet?
> > > > >
> > > >
> Telefragged's filesystem is all-but dead, cdrom.com is dead.
>
> > > >
> > > > > Also, I have an inkling that
FP never asked for our permission
with
> > FLF.
> >
> > > They just saw a new version up, and went ahead and mirrored
it
(and
> > now
> > > > > they're charging for
it)
> > > > >
> > > > > david
>
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original
Message-----
> > > > > From: _Phantom_
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Friday,
December 28, 2001 1:02 PM
> > > > > To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Re:
[hlcoders] FP charging
> > > > >
> > > >
> There is a difference however, if u want the files from FP u
dont
> HAVE
> > > > > to
> > > > >
pay, just wait.
> > > > > If you want the files on a CD
you have to pay.
> > > > > Also I'm assuming that if you
want a file on FP you have to submit
> it
> > > > >
for it
> > > > > to be hosted, where as any monkey with a
CD-RW drive can make up a
> CD
> > > > > and
>
> > > > flog it, by submitting your files u are giving
permission for
those
> > > > > files to
> >
> > > be distubuted, same goes for demos on magazine cover CD's,
they
> > request
> > > > > permission, which has
to be given, before including it, you pay £5
> for
> > >
> > mag +
> > > > > CD but the ppl who made the demo
etc dont see any of it.
> > > > >
> > > >
> As for costing, I've had a quick look at dedicated hosting, it
>
weights
> > > > > in at
> > > > >
$399.95/month plus the same for setup, and this gives u 25gig of
>
> > > > transfer,
> > > > > more than that is
gonna cost ya more.
> > > > > As you can see, it's not
cheap (you could possible get a better
deal
> > but
> >
> > > that's besides the point)
> > > > > Now,
assume FP has say, 6 servers, ya looking at nearly $2K a
month
>
> > > > THATS what u are paying for.
> > > >
>
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > > From: "Dynerman David M"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent:
Friday, December 28, 2001 6:43 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE:
[hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > But earlier, didn't we establish that
selling a CD with mods on it
> for
> > > > > more
than $0.89 (or the cost of a CD) was illegal?
> > > >
>
> > > > > I'm not sure how much the bandwidth costs
divided up are, but I
have
> > an
> > > > >
inkling that $6.99 a month is substantially more bandwidth then I
>
> > > > personally would use.
> > > >
>
> > > > > Kinda like burning a CDROM with
Counter-Strike, FLF, and DOD on
it,
> > then
> > >
> > selling it for $1.00 (for the cost of the CD of course!) and
then
> > $8.00
> > > > > shipping and
handling.
> > > > >
> > > > >
david
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original
Message-----
> > > > > From: _Phantom_
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Friday,
December 28, 2001 9:29 AM
> > > > > To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: Re:
[hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
> > > > >
> > >
> > The point is, you aint paying for the patches or the mods, you
are
> > > > > paying
> > > > > for the
upkeep of the servers they are hosted on and the bandwidth
>
the
> > > > > servers use, and in doing so yo get a 'thank
you' with a personal
> > > > > server.
> > >
> > For $6.95 USD (£5 UKP) per month or $59.99 USD (£43 UKP) a
year
> that's
> > > > > not
> > > >
> really a bad deal, granted it's probably better for us CM
users
than
> > > > > dialup
> > > > >
however.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's time
to face the fact that the time of the 'free internet' is
> all
>
> > > > but
> > > > > gone, because of the
costs and the lack of advert money now
around,
> if
> >
> > > you
> > > > > want fast service, ya gonna
have to pay for things.
> > > > >
> > > >
> Incerdently, I belive all the files (part from maybe 2
unpopular
> ones)
> > > > > I've
> > >
> > download have had 3 main servers and a couple of mirrors for
them,
> > thus
> > > > > I've
> > >
> > never seen that problem.
> > > > >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >
From: "omega" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 3:17 PM
> > > > > Subject:
Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
> > > > >
> >
> > >
> > > > > > the problem is, most of the
time there are only the personal
> servers
> > > > >
and
> > > > > > *ONE* mirror for most of the
files.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > im
not paying $30 or so to download free things.
> > > > >
> add that ti $30 for ISP, $60 on average per game, plus
hardware.
> > > > > somewhere,
> > > > >
> somebodies getting seriously ripped off.
> > > > >
> paying the cash for a game to me is fine, but as if im going to
>
pay
> > to
> > > > > > download *FREE*
patches, and *FREE* mods.its just completely
> wrong.
> >
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > -omega
> > > > > > Blackened
Interactive
> > > > > >
http://www.nofadz.com/blackened
> > > > > > IRC:
irc.gamesnet.net channel: #blackened-interactive
> > > > >
> Assistant Coder, Underhive (http://www.underhive.com)
> > >
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From:
"_Phantom_" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:10 AM
> > > > > >
Subject: Re: [hlcoders] what a bloody n00b
> > > > >
>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
I download at all kinds of times, mostly when the US are up as
> >
well,
> > > > > I've
> > > > > > >
never had to wait longer than 40mins for a file off one of the
> >
main
> > > > > > servers
> > > > >
> > (last one was RtCW multiplayer demo)
> > > > >
> > I dont have the money to pay atm so I dont and use the
free
> system
> > > > > > >
> > >
> > > > As for charging, tech the are charging u so they can
maintain
> the
> > > > > system,
> > >
> > > > revnues (sp?) from adverts and the like which companys
like
this
> > > > > used to
> > > > >
> use
> > > > > > > to maintain the opertations
have all but vanished, if they
dont
> > > > >
charge
> > > > > > they
> > > > >
> > will have to close down (hosting + bandwidth charges for
>
something
> > > > > like
> > > > > >
> fileplanet are gonna be huge!!! so after everyone pays
their
$x,
> I
> > > > > forget
> > >
> > > > how much, but I know it's not much, I doubt they are
turning a
> > huge
> > > > > profit
> >
> > > > > as they dont charge per download, just per
month/year)
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > If you dont like them hosting your files, email them and
tell
> 'em
> > to
> > > > > stop,
>
> > > > > > as you are the copyright holder of the work
then they have no
> > choice
> > > > >
(as
> > > > > I
> > > > > > >
understand it), however, imho that's just petty.. if I produce
> >
> > > something
> > > > > I
> > >
> > > > want it to reach as wider audiance as I can, if some ppl
chose
> to
> > > > > spend
> > > >
> > some
> > > > > > > $$$$ to download files
quicker, all power to 'em I say.
> > > > > >
>
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