You kinda killed your own fire, talking about educational licence makes it sound less wrong. But I agree it isn't that bad because as I said looking over code doesn't harm anyone (more than already have), you just want to go around and pick fights. Also my ISP simply wont kick me off because you don't own the material, you don't have any rights to that material and valve hasn't made a complain.... Maybe you should work on your people skills and stop hiding behind bs-linux.com. Brian you make me sick, you make it sound like I just downloaded windows without paying or something, I still plan to buy half life 2 and don't plan to release anything (Why would I ?). I find it ironic your on a Linux ISP... you don't seem to understand anything about what open source is and what it stands for. I hope I never have the opportunity to work with you because you have a serious attitude problem, lack of natural curiosity (isn't this a key to good dev? ?) and are just being an ass about things that frankly are non of your business. Also if my ISP did go though my log's I would take them to court and most likely win, according to my agreement with them they don't the right to just check my log's at a wim. I can be kicked off by the TOS but not with my educational bit and you have no proof I have HL2 code, I have not even said that I did.. I just implied it and have not re-distributed any part of it on this board nor anywhere else.
Maybe you should have re-read what you sent to them, I didn't say I had the source in it :) Oh I also not saying I have the source in this post either.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian A. Stumm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:19 AM Subject: [hlcoders] ABUSE REPORT > On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Brian A. Stumm wrote: > > > > > > > This mail is to notify you of illegal activity by your internet > > subscriber. Your customer has admitted repeatedly on > > list.valvesoftware.com to possessing stolen source code from the recent > > break in to valvesoftware.com where in source code to the highly > > anticipated half life 2 source code was stolen by illegal means. I > > encourage you to check your logs to see if a file entitled hl2_src.rar was > > downloaded by your customer and implore you to report your findings to > > your local authorities, US FBI as well as valvesoftware.com. > > > > Your customer may feel that since this code was obtained through illegal > > manner that HE is permitted to download said code but that doesn't change > > anything. This is copywritted intellectual property that was obtained > > through illegal means. He feels that he has some "educational" licenese to > > view said source but obtained no such license from the owner of said > > source code, valvesoftware. > > > > I implore you to take action, if you do not then I will take your lack of > > action as support for illegal activities by your customers. And will > > elevate this complaint further. > > > > Thank you for your immediate attention to this matter. > > > > -------- > > HEADERS: > > -------- > > > > Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Received: from list.valvesoftware.com (mail.list.valvesoftware.com > > [207.173.176.202]) > > by bs-linux.com (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id h95JdXF05225 > > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 12:39:33 -0700 > > Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=list.valvesoftware.com) > > by list.valvesoftware.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) > > id 1A6Eay-00014I-00; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 12:31:08 -0700 > > Received: from [207.44.152.105] (helo=DD1.TheDryDock.Net) > > by list.valvesoftware.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) > > id 1A6EaH-0000yD-00 > > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 12:30:25 > > -0700 > > X-ClientAddr: 80.3.177.6 > > Received: from utserver (public1-fare1-3-cust6.cosh.broadband.ntl.com > > [80.3.177.6]) > > (authenticated (0 bits)) > > by DD1.TheDryDock.Net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h95JVQN17416 > > for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 5 Oct 2003 14:31:28 > > -0500 > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > From: "Manip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] Re: Re: Re: HL2 Source > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > X-Priority: 3 > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 > > X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information > > X-MailScanner: Found to be clean > > X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.9, required 8, > > OPPORTUNITY_2 1.26, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT -0.48, > > RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM 0.55, REFERENCES -0.50) > > content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > content-type: text/plain; > > charset=iso-8859-1 > > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 > > Precedence: bulk > > > > ----------------- > > original message: > > ----------------- > > > > On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Manip wrote: > > > > > > http://www.justinrossetti.com/albums/HalfLife2/hl2_death.jpg > > > > > > hahaha. I wouldn't want to work for valve right now either. Worse I wouldn't > > > want to be the guy that got his > > > account broken into, if it was his fault or not. Just generally not a good > > > day, and I don't think a few developers > > > talking openly about the source they know we have is going to make things > > > worse. I'm not planning to develop > > > games with it but I am curious about how they did certain things so the > > > label 'for education use only' kind fits the > > > bill. Most developers that have blood going though their vanes can't resist > > > information and something like this where > > > you have the unique opportunity to see how the pro's are doing it is too > > > good to resist. I have nothing against valve and > > > don't plan on making a penny off of their hard work but me looking over code > > > that is already public doesn't hurt anyone > > > so stop slamming me just because I'm open unlike all of you that are looking > > > but don't want to talk about it. > > > > > > Please stop going on about IP, I am not selling it, I am not making money > > > off of it, they can sue me for every penny > > > I have made off the half-life 2 source, duh..... > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
