Thanks. I already map, model, and animate. Source is my toolset. I've debated another engine such as UT3 but there's just not the content for it... Plus I don't like how little content is available.
And source on-the-hole is open, no? Unless you mean open as in another way? And not only does Source provide entertainment, it also provides practice, skill, and knowledge that would work in any engine. On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Nick <xnicho...@gmail.com> wrote: > Wouldn't your time and energy be better spent on an open game engine? > or some program that provides actual value besides entertainment ? If > you need ideas, msg me. > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Matt Hoffman > <lord.matt.hoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > And some of us who strive for quality work and animation are continuously > > locked out. Even now that we FINALLY (Months late) have a model source, > we > > still can't do much with it. Neither of us (Me and Mystfit who did this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyuM65dctBs ) use Maya. Were quickly > > correcting this to make up for the lack of DMX for Max but... It kinda > means > > throwing out all of our CAT motion rigs and such. > > > > It's kind of a bummer. We've been fighting against what we have since day > > one... no vtas for a while... finally got vta's working, massive amounts > of > > work... Decided to put it off until we got model sources because they > were > > "Coming" and now we still can't use them. > > > > Such is life. > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Tom Edwards <t_edwa...@btinternet.com > >wrote: > > > >> This is exactly what I was worried about. There's several new flex > >> animation features in those files, chiefly wrinklemaps and tongues, that > >> (AFAIK) can't be achieved with SMD. > >> > >> Matt Hoffman wrote: > >> > Well... One specific difference that it has: Pop open the Heavy's DMX > >> file > >> > for his Morphs. Instead of a quasi-binary file format, there's actual > >> > strings and words. > >> > > >> > With my (admittedly limited knowledge) leads me to believe that they > set > >> the > >> > Flex's up in Maya with some tool in Maya, and then exported it. There > >> seems > >> > to be no flex- part in the qc anymore, and it all seems to be done via > >> the > >> > DMX File. > >> > > >> > Very curious... But yes, I'd love updated tools for Max. Someone get > Jed > >> > what he needs please. :) > >> > > >> > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Jed <j...@wunderboy.org> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> >> Having looked at the DMX and the associated SMD files I can't > >> >> immediately see what it offers apart from maybe a tighter file format > >> >> (and all the lovely information about "Burke" at Valve and his > Windows > >> >> XP service packs and choice of nVidia graphic card circa 2007). At > >> >> first glance I thought it was just binary XML (which the compiler > also > >> >> seems to support...) > >> >> > >> >> Looking at the QC/QCI combos it seems that as far as modelling is > >> >> concerned SMD is still good for a while yet, DMX just seems like a > >> >> more efficient way of storing mesh/bone/animation data. I suppose the > >> >> only people who will care are those trying to decompile DMX files and > >> >> cant. For new models SMD will do for a while yet. > >> >> > >> >> That said if Valve want to release the DMX file format (and I'll be > >> >> happy to sign an NDA if they wish) I'll have a go at making a Max > >> >> exporter/importer/transporter/howsyourdaughter. > >> >> > >> >> - Jed > >> >> > >> >> 2009/9/21 Saul Rennison <saul.renni...@gmail.com>: > >> >> > >> >>> Also, DMX is used in Episode 2 as a kind-of KeyValues2... I think > VALVe > >> >>> > >> >> like > >> >> > >> >>> DMX :D > >> >>> > >> >>> Thanks, > >> >>> - Saul. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> 2009/9/21 Nick <xnicho...@gmail.com> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>> Good site. I liked the very quick tutorial on how to make prop > using > >> >>>> blender and smd exporter:: > >> >>>> http://www.dvondrake.com/tutorials/modeling-for-source-in-blender > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Tom Edwards < > >> t_edwa...@btinternet.com> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> The release of the Heavy model sources (which is excellent BTW) > has > >> >>>>> confirmed that Valve's modellers now use Maya, and revealed the > >> >>>>> quasi-binary DMX format as the successor to SMD. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> What does this mean for XSI support, particularly the Mod Tool? > Its > >> >>>>> exporter has needed updating for a long time, mainly in terms of > UI > >> >>>>> > >> >> but > >> >> > >> >>>>> also core functionality. I'm sure the Maya plugin is an > improvement > >> on > >> >>>>> all fronts but it's no help to most modders, as Maya doesn't have > a > >> >>>>> > >> >> free > >> >> > >> >>>>> Mod Tool equivalent. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> I'm also a little wary about DMX, since it can't be easily > understood > >> >>>>> > >> >> by > >> >> > >> >>>>> someone wanting to write a new exporter. Can we (and by we I > mostly > >> >>>>> > >> >> mean > >> >> > >> >>>>> Jed of course) see a spec for it? Does it support new features > that > >> >>>>> > >> >> SMD > >> >> > >> >>>>> does not? > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> The good news is that there's a new Blender exporter out > >> >>>>> <http://dvondrake.com/scripts/blendersmd> that does everything > >> except > >> >>>>> VTA. Blender may have to become the new modder's choice for > Source, > >> >>>>> which, as much as I like it, isn't ideal given the exotic UI. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> please visit: > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > >> >>>> please visit: > >> >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > >> >>> > >> >> please visit: > >> >> > >> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > >> >> please visit: > >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
