It's people like yourself taking it to the extreme.

Since there's no admin there, what do you do? Leave. Blatant hackers
aren't there to be better than anyone else. They're there to annoy and
destroy any pub game that's happening. You actually staying in the
server and displaying your hate fuels this person to continue cheating
on the server.

There's more than one server out there. I understand it's a place you
enjoy playing at, but you have to use common sense and just find a
different place to play for the time being.

---

On to the other point someone made. VAC isn't the end-all tool. You
actually have to take matters into your own hands, instead of being lazy
and rely on something to do every single thing for you. If you can't
handle dealing with cheaters, don't admin a server.

A lot of people fail to realize just how lucky we are to have a tool
like VAC. Even though it's not updated as much as some of us may have
wished (at least currently, I think some major changes will be made once
Valve finishes its current projects), be happy to have this instead of
nothing at all (or horrible, half-assed third party tools)

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren J. Mason
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update?

I have thus far refused to participate in the "everyone hacks" thread,
but
last nights CS experience has left me so freakin mad that I need to vent
somewhere!

I play only on a few servers, all West Coast. We definately have been
visited time to time by "super-good" players, and very infrequently by
someone with very questionable skills. Most of the servers are regulars
so
we know everyone who plays there and the regs usually pressure the hacks
away pretty quickly.

Last night I jump on for a few rounds before bed. Headshot, headshot,
headshot, headshot - my whole freakin team dead, and all this within
about 2
seconds of round start. A player named "knife" was using every hack
imaginable: speed, aimbot, wall, everything! Typically when someone is
this
blatant, everyone will vote him off fairly quickly. Last night the regs
were
the minority and no one on the other team would vote against this guy.
This
totally pissed me off. I was cussing everyone out, and eventually
started
taunting the other players because they wouldn't vote against him. I
really
didn't get it. This guy would kill everyone on my team within 1-2
seconds
and no one on his team would kill anyone. They wouldn't even get a shot
off - how the heck can that be fun for anyone? But they wouldn't vote
him
off! One of my favorite servers ruined by a freak hack and loser
opponents
who obviously liked standing around doing nothing. wow.

So there's my vent / rant / etc.

Hopefully, VAC will continue to improve and somehow, somewhere, servers
will
become a better place to play.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Timothy Lynn
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Update?


K. Mike Bradley wrote:
> I said 3/4 have DL'ed and used cheats at least once in a while.
>
> 50% cheat all the time either because they are cheaters at heart or
> because they want to even the playing field when playing other
> cheaters. The numbers are growing because of all the cheaters.

Hey Mike, you want to start, I don't know, bringing some data with ya
when you make these ridiculous claims? If one admin out two respond
after this saying that like me, they don't cheat, will you be quiet
then?

And while you're at it... You may or may not have noticed this, but this
isn't a forum, it's a listsrv, and adding a one line response on top of
about 22K of misquoted and mangled crap is about the most useless thing
a learned admin could do. There are people who get the digest of the
list and when you make posts like you did it completely destroys any
sense of continuity and needlessly bloats the digests. Not to mention
there are people on the list who have metered usage, so downloading all
these over-quoted responses does them no favors either.

You're using Outlook, so take a look at the great program Outlook
Quotefix at http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/.
It'll automatically do things like strip out signatures and listsrv
footers (assuming they're properly delineated by "--"), put a sensible
quote header in, word wrap stuff, and move your cursor beneath quoted
material automatically. All you need to do is pick out the stuff you
don't want quoted and delete it, a task that takes about 5 seconds.

--
Tim


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