Well I was all for doing things the way Valve was doing it to allow them confuse cheat creators about exactly which hacks are or are not detected, then I thought about the implications of what occurs if the hackers have access to unlimited numbers (or at least appear to be) STEAM_ID's and then did the maths.
All you end up with is pissed off gamers, especially when VAC "IS" working but this stupid "detect now, ban later" policy allows the hackers plenty of time to piss a lot of people off and generally cause admins life hell as well as not really effecting the hardcore cheat who has access to so many STEAM_ID's and STEAM Accounts that banning them every couple of days, even though VAC is fully aware they are cheating, serves no purpose, except to allow cheats to more time to use a particular STEAM Account for longer than they would get if they were banned the instant VAC detects them. A nice little "VAC detected cheat on so & so" message on the server would go a a long way to winning the PR war too! And serve as a warning for others to not cheat or they wil get caught! On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:27:00 +0200, Brandon Dumont - MWEB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why don't people use cd in leagues? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 3:06 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work > > > > Tell you what. You name me ONE league that supports CD as an > > excepted option then. Everybody talks about using it, nobody > > does, and nobody allows it in any league that I know of. So > > on that note... UPDATE VAC!!! > > Ray Spaulding > > www.raynserv.com/rod > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Deadman Standing > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 12:47 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work > > > > This always makes me laugh, "This has to end or a critical > > mass will be achieved and Valve's games will die and then we > > will all be out of a job!" > > > > Makes you wonder what mythical non-hacked game these players > > are moving too, since any game I can think of has cheats > > available for it. If you are so worried about hackers run > > Cheating Death with a mediator plugin. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper . > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:06 PM > > To: HLDS > > Subject: [hlds] VAC Bans Method does not work > > > > The methodology that VAC uses with this delayed banning does not work. > > > > This is why. > > > > Either there is a hole in the STEAM_ID system or these > > hackers appear to have a supply of almost unlimited numbers > > of STEAM_ID's available to them, or at least that is how it > > is now appearing to us. > > > > We have a few hackers circulating through our servers who we > > banned more times than we can count. We have sophisticated > > systems to deal with removing hackers and trouble makers from > > our 80 odd HL based servers and they always come back, with > > new STEAM_ID's and/or new IP addresses. > > > > We are now resorting to dealing directly with other ISP's to > > get these peoples services supended, as some of you are aware > > this is ridiculously time consuming and not always a viable > > option in any case. > > > > Now as you can see, if you use the detect delay ban method > > VAC employs, these hackers that have access to vast amounts > > of STEAM_ID's never get caught because it is > > days/weeks/months between them using a STEAM_ID and then > > having that STEAM_ID permanently taken out of the system. > > > > At the rate of 1 ban per 3 days (using the detect, delay, ban > > methodology) it will take 300 bloody days for VAC to ban > > somebody who has access to 100 STEAM_ID's, if its a week, it > > will take just under 3 friggin years to remove them all!! > > > > This has to end or a critical mass will be achieved and > > Valve's games will die and then we will all be out of a job! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > MWEB: S.A.'s trusted Internet Service Provider. Just Like that. > To join, click here or call 08600 32000. > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
