Was there a reply or a question in all of this we hadn't seen before? I can't find it
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:57:55 -0200, Ro & Lu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 6:12 AM > Subject: hlds digest, Vol 1 #3306 - 7 msgs > > Send hlds mailing list submissions to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of hlds digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? (Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews) > 2. RE: When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? (Andrew R. Mitcham) > 3. Ip issue (Bobby) > 4. Re: When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? (Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews) > 5. Re: When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? (Tony) > 6. Re: When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? (Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews) > 7. RE: When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? (Andrew R. Mitcham) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:39:42 +1100 > From: "Bruce \"Bahamut\" Andrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Rather then pointlessly venting anger on the list you could take the > time to email someone off-list at VALVe and they generally will respond > rather fast. > > - Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews > > Andrew R. Mitcham wrote: > > >Wow. This is the #1,000,000,000 time I've heard this from someone who > >doesn't work for VALVe in the past 2 years. Everytime anyone complains > >about VALVe not updating VAC or not closing loopholes, someone who > >doesn't work for VALVe or have ANY insight into VALVe tells everyone to > >be patient because VALVe is working on something. > > > >I don't know about the rest of you server owners, but I'm absolutely > >SICK and TIRED of hearing this. I've heard it during 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, > >and now even Source. STFU!!!!! Please!!!!! We need something to > >happen... NOW and we need to hear it from VALVe people that this issue > >is now a top priority. They screwed us with the release dates for HL2, > >the December update was a laughing stock and COMPLETE failure. > > > >I am 2 seconds away from just going with BF1942 or UT2K4 or something. > >And don't tell me "Good, then uninstall and leave us all alone" because > >I have dealt with this SHIT for YEARS... literally. This may be the Dos > >Equis talking, but we need to do something (server owners) and let VALVe > >know that this CRAP is not going to stand anymore. The pile of shitty > >lies and ignorance is getting too high. WE MAKE THE GAMES HAPPEN. WE > >MAKE THE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO PLAY THEIR GAMES. > > > >_____________________________ > >Darren J. Mason wrote: > > > >Everyone calm down a minute and think about the overall scope of things. > >Valve is known for creating at least one, if not several of the most > >awesome > >games we have ever played. Development has ALWAYS been plagued by missed > >deadlines, stolen code, and more missed deadlines. > > > >Should a new authentication scheme + anticheat measure been included > >with > >HL2 - of course! But this is Valve, and they are probably working on > >something so revolutionary they can't possibly release it in conjunction > >with the game it's made for. Even if they posted about it here, we all > >know > >any deadline hard or soft would be extended and extended. > > > >We will get something later rather than sooner, it will work for the > >most > >part, and we will be happy. It the freakin waiting that has always > >killed > >us! > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten van der > >Zwaart > >Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:59 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > > >On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:09:43 +1100, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > > > > > >>Can somebody who is more familiar with Databases and Database security > >>please explain to me/us why it is difficult for Valve to secure their > >>STEAM_ID system? > >> > >>Doesn't Valve have complete control over the STEAM User and STEAM_ID > >> > >> > >database? > > > >Yes they do. > > > > > > > >>Doesn't Valve know which STEAM_ID's belong to which STEAM Users? > >> > >> > > > >They do know. > > > > > > > >>Don't Valve know whether a STEAM Account has been created legitimately > >>on their STEAM User database or not? > >> > >> > > > >All accounts are created legitimately. > > > > > > > >>Can't Valve verify that people in a server are using STEAM_ID's that > >>were created legitimately and belong to the STEAM User they purport to > >>be? > >> > >> > > > >They are using legitimate steam id's, that belong to legitimate steam > >accounts. > > > >The problem is that the game server and/or authentication server does > >not > >check if the user owns the game he is playing. This probably needs big > >changes in the way the clients obtain authentication data that is sent > >to > >the game server. This can be a lot of work, as changes are probably > >needed > >on clients, game servers and steam servers. Obviously these changes need > >to > >be made at the same time, as most likely this changes the communication > >protocols used, which is also a lot of work. > > > >Developing a new authentication scheme is not an easy task, but I'm sure > >they're working on it. We'll just have to wait. > > > >Maarten > > > >-- > >A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. > >Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > >A: Top-posting. > >Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? > > > > > > > >Andrew R. Mitcham > >Fire Gaming, LP Senior Partner > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: "Andrew R. Mitcham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:48:26 -0600 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I was just making the point that I believe VALVe relies on the replies > of people like this to make the issue minor instead of major. It is > people that say "Hey, relax guy. They are working on it" that makes the > people who complain feel stupid and "n00b". Let us not forget that these > people are NOT VALVe employees and DO NOT know anything more than US. > This has occurred for YEARS and we need to stop that. It would make > VALVe more honest and forthcoming about issues that relate to > SRCDS/HLDS. I certainly would not be angry in I heard from an employee > ANYHTING relating to this issue, rather than some dude in... Arkansas or > something... that has no clue what is going on telling me to chill out. > > Again, this has happened for years and it will continue to happen until > people make it known that it will not be tolerated anymore, especially > by the people who supply the environment to PLAY the game in. > > -----Original Message----- > Rather then pointlessly venting anger on the list you could take the > time to email someone off-list at VALVe and they generally will respond > rather fast. > > - Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew R. > Mitcham > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 1:20 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > Wow. This is the #1,000,000,000 time I've heard this from someone who > doesn't work for VALVe in the past 2 years. Everytime anyone complains > about VALVe not updating VAC or not closing loopholes, someone who > doesn't work for VALVe or have ANY insight into VALVe tells everyone to > be patient because VALVe is working on something. > > I don't know about the rest of you server owners, but I'm absolutely > SICK and TIRED of hearing this. I've heard it during 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, > and now even Source. STFU!!!!! Please!!!!! We need something to > happen... NOW and we need to hear it from VALVe people that this issue > is now a top priority. They screwed us with the release dates for HL2, > the December update was a laughing stock and COMPLETE failure. > > I am 2 seconds away from just going with BF1942 or UT2K4 or something. > And don't tell me "Good, then uninstall and leave us all alone" because > I have dealt with this SHIT for YEARS... literally. This may be the Dos > Equis talking, but we need to do something (server owners) and let VALVe > know that this CRAP is not going to stand anymore. The pile of shitty > lies and ignorance is getting too high. WE MAKE THE GAMES HAPPEN. WE > MAKE THE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO PLAY THEIR GAMES. > > _____________________________ > Darren J. Mason wrote: > > Everyone calm down a minute and think about the overall scope of things. > Valve is known for creating at least one, if not several of the most > awesome > games we have ever played. Development has ALWAYS been plagued by missed > deadlines, stolen code, and more missed deadlines. > > Should a new authentication scheme + anticheat measure been included > with > HL2 - of course! But this is Valve, and they are probably working on > something so revolutionary they can't possibly release it in conjunction > with the game it's made for. Even if they posted about it here, we all > know > any deadline hard or soft would be extended and extended. > > We will get something later rather than sooner, it will work for the > most > part, and we will be happy. It the freakin waiting that has always > killed > us! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten van der > Zwaart > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:09:43 +1100, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Can somebody who is more familiar with Databases and Database security > > please explain to me/us why it is difficult for Valve to secure their > > STEAM_ID system? > > > > Doesn't Valve have complete control over the STEAM User and STEAM_ID > database? > > Yes they do. > > > Doesn't Valve know which STEAM_ID's belong to which STEAM Users? > > They do know. > > > Don't Valve know whether a STEAM Account has been created legitimately > > on their STEAM User database or not? > > All accounts are created legitimately. > > > Can't Valve verify that people in a server are using STEAM_ID's that > > were created legitimately and belong to the STEAM User they purport to > > be? > > They are using legitimate steam id's, that belong to legitimate steam > accounts. > > The problem is that the game server and/or authentication server does > not > check if the user owns the game he is playing. This probably needs big > changes in the way the clients obtain authentication data that is sent > to > the game server. This can be a lot of work, as changes are probably > needed > on clients, game servers and steam servers. Obviously these changes need > to > be made at the same time, as most likely this changes the communication > protocols used, which is also a lot of work. > > Developing a new authentication scheme is not an easy task, but I'm sure > they're working on it. We'll just have to wait. > > Maarten > > -- > A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? > > Andrew R. Mitcham > Fire Gaming, LP Senior Partner > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: "Bobby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:53:08 -0500 > Subject: [hlds] Ip issue > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I'm getting the IP issue also, Lots of irate customers too!! > > Must be really bad or Valve would have came out with a update by now. > > -Bobby > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:58:04 +1100 > From: "Bruce \"Bahamut\" Andrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hello, what's the chances THEY emailed someone there and found out? > None of the VALVe employees are legally allowed to comment on any of it, > with their NDA's and soforth, so you're not going to get an answer out > of them regardless of how much whinging you do. Try emailing gabe if > you know his email address, being the head guy he'd be the one calling > the lines and when to cross them. > > - Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews > > Andrew R. Mitcham wrote: > > >I was just making the point that I believe VALVe relies on the replies > >of people like this to make the issue minor instead of major. It is > >people that say "Hey, relax guy. They are working on it" that makes the > >people who complain feel stupid and "n00b". Let us not forget that these > >people are NOT VALVe employees and DO NOT know anything more than US. > >This has occurred for YEARS and we need to stop that. It would make > >VALVe more honest and forthcoming about issues that relate to > >SRCDS/HLDS. I certainly would not be angry in I heard from an employee > >ANYHTING relating to this issue, rather than some dude in... Arkansas or > >something... that has no clue what is going on telling me to chill out. > > > >Again, this has happened for years and it will continue to happen until > >people make it known that it will not be tolerated anymore, especially > >by the people who supply the environment to PLAY the game in. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >Rather then pointlessly venting anger on the list you could take the > >time to email someone off-list at VALVe and they generally will respond > >rather fast. > > > >- Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews > > > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew R. > >Mitcham > >Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 1:20 AM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > > >Wow. This is the #1,000,000,000 time I've heard this from someone who > >doesn't work for VALVe in the past 2 years. Everytime anyone complains > >about VALVe not updating VAC or not closing loopholes, someone who > >doesn't work for VALVe or have ANY insight into VALVe tells everyone to > >be patient because VALVe is working on something. > > > >I don't know about the rest of you server owners, but I'm absolutely > >SICK and TIRED of hearing this. I've heard it during 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, > >and now even Source. STFU!!!!! Please!!!!! We need something to > >happen... NOW and we need to hear it from VALVe people that this issue > >is now a top priority. They screwed us with the release dates for HL2, > >the December update was a laughing stock and COMPLETE failure. > > > >I am 2 seconds away from just going with BF1942 or UT2K4 or something. > >And don't tell me "Good, then uninstall and leave us all alone" because > >I have dealt with this SHIT for YEARS... literally. This may be the Dos > >Equis talking, but we need to do something (server owners) and let VALVe > >know that this CRAP is not going to stand anymore. The pile of shitty > >lies and ignorance is getting too high. WE MAKE THE GAMES HAPPEN. WE > >MAKE THE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO PLAY THEIR GAMES. > > > >_____________________________ > >Darren J. Mason wrote: > > > >Everyone calm down a minute and think about the overall scope of things. > >Valve is known for creating at least one, if not several of the most > >awesome > >games we have ever played. Development has ALWAYS been plagued by missed > >deadlines, stolen code, and more missed deadlines. > > > >Should a new authentication scheme + anticheat measure been included > >with > >HL2 - of course! But this is Valve, and they are probably working on > >something so revolutionary they can't possibly release it in conjunction > >with the game it's made for. Even if they posted about it here, we all > >know > >any deadline hard or soft would be extended and extended. > > > >We will get something later rather than sooner, it will work for the > >most > >part, and we will be happy. It the freakin waiting that has always > >killed > >us! > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten van der > >Zwaart > >Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:59 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > > >On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:09:43 +1100, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > > > > > >>Can somebody who is more familiar with Databases and Database security > >>please explain to me/us why it is difficult for Valve to secure their > >>STEAM_ID system? > >> > >>Doesn't Valve have complete control over the STEAM User and STEAM_ID > >> > >> > >database? > > > >Yes they do. > > > > > > > >>Doesn't Valve know which STEAM_ID's belong to which STEAM Users? > >> > >> > > > >They do know. > > > > > > > >>Don't Valve know whether a STEAM Account has been created legitimately > >>on their STEAM User database or not? > >> > >> > > > >All accounts are created legitimately. > > > > > > > >>Can't Valve verify that people in a server are using STEAM_ID's that > >>were created legitimately and belong to the STEAM User they purport to > >>be? > >> > >> > > > >They are using legitimate steam id's, that belong to legitimate steam > >accounts. > > > >The problem is that the game server and/or authentication server does > >not > >check if the user owns the game he is playing. This probably needs big > >changes in the way the clients obtain authentication data that is sent > >to > >the game server. This can be a lot of work, as changes are probably > >needed > >on clients, game servers and steam servers. Obviously these changes need > >to > >be made at the same time, as most likely this changes the communication > >protocols used, which is also a lot of work. > > > >Developing a new authentication scheme is not an easy task, but I'm sure > >they're working on it. We'll just have to wait. > > > >Maarten > > > >-- > >A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. > >Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > >A: Top-posting. > >Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? > > > > > > > >Andrew R. Mitcham > >Fire Gaming, LP Senior Partner > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > From: "Tony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:08:41 -0000 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Quote "I am 2 seconds away from just going with BF1942" Good man it's alot > better you know :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew R. Mitcham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 7:19 AM > Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > > Wow. This is the #1,000,000,000 time I've heard this from someone who > > doesn't work for VALVe in the past 2 years. Everytime anyone complains > > about VALVe not updating VAC or not closing loopholes, someone who > > doesn't work for VALVe or have ANY insight into VALVe tells everyone to > > be patient because VALVe is working on something. > > > > I don't know about the rest of you server owners, but I'm absolutely > > SICK and TIRED of hearing this. I've heard it during 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, > > and now even Source. STFU!!!!! Please!!!!! We need something to > > happen... NOW and we need to hear it from VALVe people that this issue > > is now a top priority. They screwed us with the release dates for HL2, > > the December update was a laughing stock and COMPLETE failure. > > > > I am 2 seconds away from just going with BF1942 or UT2K4 or something. > > And don't tell me "Good, then uninstall and leave us all alone" because > > I have dealt with this SHIT for YEARS... literally. This may be the Dos > > Equis talking, but we need to do something (server owners) and let VALVe > > know that this CRAP is not going to stand anymore. The pile of shitty > > lies and ignorance is getting too high. WE MAKE THE GAMES HAPPEN. WE > > MAKE THE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO PLAY THEIR GAMES. > > > > _____________________________ > > Darren J. Mason wrote: > > > > Everyone calm down a minute and think about the overall scope of things. > > Valve is known for creating at least one, if not several of the most > > awesome > > games we have ever played. Development has ALWAYS been plagued by missed > > deadlines, stolen code, and more missed deadlines. > > > > Should a new authentication scheme + anticheat measure been included > > with > > HL2 - of course! But this is Valve, and they are probably working on > > something so revolutionary they can't possibly release it in conjunction > > with the game it's made for. Even if they posted about it here, we all > > know > > any deadline hard or soft would be extended and extended. > > > > We will get something later rather than sooner, it will work for the > > most > > part, and we will be happy. It the freakin waiting that has always > > killed > > us! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten van der > > Zwaart > > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:59 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > > > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:09:43 +1100, Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> Can somebody who is more familiar with Databases and Database security > >> please explain to me/us why it is difficult for Valve to secure their > >> STEAM_ID system? > >> > >> Doesn't Valve have complete control over the STEAM User and STEAM_ID > > database? > > > > Yes they do. > > > >> Doesn't Valve know which STEAM_ID's belong to which STEAM Users? > > > > They do know. > > > >> Don't Valve know whether a STEAM Account has been created legitimately > >> on their STEAM User database or not? > > > > All accounts are created legitimately. > > > >> Can't Valve verify that people in a server are using STEAM_ID's that > >> were created legitimately and belong to the STEAM User they purport to > >> be? > > > > They are using legitimate steam id's, that belong to legitimate steam > > accounts. > > > > The problem is that the game server and/or authentication server does > > not > > check if the user owns the game he is playing. This probably needs big > > changes in the way the clients obtain authentication data that is sent > > to > > the game server. This can be a lot of work, as changes are probably > > needed > > on clients, game servers and steam servers. Obviously these changes need > > to > > be made at the same time, as most likely this changes the communication > > protocols used, which is also a lot of work. > > > > Developing a new authentication scheme is not an easy task, but I'm sure > > they're working on it. We'll just have to wait. > > > > Maarten > > > > -- > > A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. > > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > > A: Top-posting. > > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? > > > > > > > > Andrew R. Mitcham > > Fire Gaming, LP Senior Partner > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:20:22 +1100 > From: "Bruce \"Bahamut\" Andrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > yeah if you like writing essays to ban people.. > > - Bruce "Bahamut" Andrews > > Tony wrote: > > > Quote "I am 2 seconds away from just going with BF1942" Good man it's > > alot > > better you know :) > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > From: "Andrew R. Mitcham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:23:36 -0600 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > They could have a source at VALVe after emailing. But whenever I email > someone at VALVe and get a response, I QUOTE IT. And reading the last > 1,000,000 posts about how VALVe is working on it from some douche that > has no clue if what he/she is saying is true or not does NOT have a > quote from an email and clearly states that VALVe is "probably" working > on it. I can see how you would feel that VALVe cannot legally comment on > the issue. But if enough people get angry about getting jerked around > about HL2 release dates, HEARING FROM GAME FREAKING NEWELL that the CS > community would never be left out again. then VAC not updating, > loopholes not being plugged, and a hyped December release that was > literally a (server) FAILURE, you could make them comment about this. > > I clearly remember reading from a GameSpy article that Gabe and other > VALVe execs/employees where going to be more forthcoming and responsive > to the community now. They need to respond about an issue that is a pain > in the ass and has been for a looooong time. It is going to take the > community saying "OK, that is enough. No more room in my asshole" to get > it through. > > Can you IMAGINE what CAL would be like with no ESP or wallhacks? My clan > would be CAL-Premier by now. > > Can you IMAGINE no more myg0t, JAPS, speedhacking, no-recoil, no more > having to explain your 1337ness to a n00b admin? > > You ban the speedhacker now. 20 minutes later; the douche has a new > STEAMID. YAY! > > We (server admin community) have complained about this endlessly for > years. I complained for a while then shut up for a good year or so > because I was convinced VALVe was actually working on it (according to > You Know Who). And I think now people are starting to smell the BS that > people who stick up for VALVe (but do not work for them) are dishing > out. > > We can either sit here in the same old state of: "they are working on > it. they HAVE to be. it is SOOOO bad out there they MUST be working on > it" . like the last few years OR just DO SOMETHING about it. > -- > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > End of hlds Digest > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
