""Yes" or "No" as to whether they are even working on no-steam and anti-cheat (and the ded server resource hogging)."
Do you really need an answer to that? Of course they are working on it. On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 09:35:58 -0700, CHiLLZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think this is very well put and I totally echo your statements. I am a > programmer myself, and so I respect the task in front of any developer in > producing a quality product. However, I have been running servers for many > years and this CS:S dedicated server is the worst I have experienced from a > technical standpoint. The lack of official documentation, the immense server > resource usage/leak, no anti-cheat, and the no-steam hacks, the buddy system > is a joke, etc, etc... > > The end result is that I am hearing every day about another admin who is > shutting down their server and I must say the thought has crossed my mind. I > am not a Valve "hater" and neither am I a Valve "fan". I am neutral and just > like to have fun playing online with my friends, regardless of what game we > play. > > Also, it seems very strange that not one single Valve employee has even so > much as commented on anything being discussed here. I mean, even if all they > do is say a simple "Yes" or "No" as to whether they are even working on > no-steam and anti-cheat (and the ded server resource hogging). I subscribe > to several other technical/admin mailing lists and this one has the least > participation by the list owners of any list I have seen so far. > > - CHiLLZ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Choo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:27 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Business & Cheats > > Hi Rich, > > Good points you have there, and I agree that Valve's job is to make > "Superior Games". Unfortunately due to the rise of online cheating more and > more people are expecting some anti-cheating utility as part of the game > itself. Understandably a lot of stuff like PunkBuster or VAC are not > perfect, but the quality of these anti-cheating tools serves to enhance the > gaming experience. > > Without a conducive environment to play a traditionally online game, it's > quite difficult for many of us to say that HL2/CSS is truly "superior". It's > a horrible position to be in as a developer, but being able to meet as many > expectations as possible is what distinguishes a truly superior game from > just another game on the market. > > Valve has done great things for the online community, and the number of mods > available in previous engines such as HL1 are testament of that commitment. > Right now I personally feel that Valve is living off the good reputation of > yesterday to keep it going today. Not only is it pre-selling games that are > still in the development stage, it is releasing games such as CS Source > which are not quite close to the quality many of us were expecting - not > having VAC is just one of those gripes. Rightly or wrongly, I feel that the > disenchantment of many admins signals a drop in standards, and if left > unchecked we may not see the same kind of success in HL2 as with HL1. > > A large number of people in the community that I serve in Singapore are > still playing HL1-based mods, and only a fraction have moved to HL2. There > are many reasons why this could be the case, but I would like to suggest > that the poor quality of HL2 in terms of lack of anti-cheating functions, > mods, just so-so server support, and the numerous bugs and bugfixes that > create even more bugs are what might be causing this. > > That said, I'll have to qualify that as a server admin I'm in the business > of making money from online games, but while we do not pay Valve for these > rights, we are here to serve the interests of people who have purchased > these games and these guys naturally expect Valve to do much more than what > they're doing now. While we may act in our own self-interest, one cannot > deny that we are also proxies for gamers who may not be very satisfied with > what they are experiencing with HL2/CSS now. > > Regards, > Christopher Choo > Fragnetics > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Welsh > Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2005 4:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Business & Cheats > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Maybe I messed up in the > last email but here some clarification. > > Car Manufactorer Makes Car. > Driver 1 Buys car > Driver 2 Buys car > > Driver 1 drives through town A at 30mph > Driver 2 drives through town A at 60mph > > Driver 1 gets mad and demands something be done. > Car Manufactorer laughs and continues to make car Driver 1 is furios. > Driver 2 is laughing at Driver 1 > Driver 1 develops Police Department > > Police Department Makes Rules and Authorises people to make the rules are > followed. > > Driver 1 drives through town A at 30mph > Driver 2 drives through town A at 60mph > > Driver 2 sees something flashing in his mirror. > Driver 2 hears a wailing sound. > > Driver 2 pulls to the side of the road. > Police Officer comes up to his window. > You have been caught speeding. > > Driver 2 says "Isn't it up to Car Manufactorer to control how fast I can go? > > Police Officer says "No Son, we make the rules here and you have to follow > them." > > Driver 1 = CS player > Driver 2 = Cheating CS Player > Police Department = Server Admins > Police Officer = Admin or Anti-cheat detection system Town A = Server Car > Manufactorer = Valve VAC = is the equivalent of a Rev-limiter on a motor > vehicle > > If you think Valve is responsible to make an anti-cheat you are mistaking. > It is not up to Valve to make an anti-cheat. They get no more money for it > from anyone when they make it. > > All Valve has to do is make games. That's it, nothing more. But they do > alot more than that for the community. They patch their games, they > support 3rd party mods, they take suggestions from the community, they do > all this stuff and wow people bitch cause some lamer decides he wants to > cheat. > > Just be glad Valve is here to make Superior games. Anything other than the > game is gravy on your Potatoes. > > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- - Ben Davison - http://www.shadow-phoenix.com _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
