What good is that when they just get another account and are back in 5 minutes?
Why not prevent nosteam from working in the first place? We paid for the game, why shouldn't they have to? - voogru. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred Reynolds Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch Nosteam and the like will be considered cheats (and users will be banned for using them). - Alfred -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Armstrong Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 6:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch Will VAC2 prevent the use of nosteam though? Not much point in having them banned if they come right back in 10 minutes. -Plasma ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > [quote] If you have any cheats for multiplayer games installed on your > computer, now would be a good time to uninstall and stop using them. > [/quote] > > So is Valve taking the stand that once a cheater is OK as long as it's > not during our pre-released timeframe that we'll be watching period? > How about you start logging last week and then take that information > into effect next > week so you smoke ALL of the detected cheats currently in use instead > of letting them shut them off long enough for you to start your > testing and give myg0t time to find a way around that too so they can > all turn them on again. Our view is that if you're low-life enough to > have EVER use them than > you have violated the TOS of the purchased game and they should be > dealt with as such. But then again this is Valve we're talking about > and they only > give a "bite" with no teeth. You have a published TOS that you need to stand > behind and MAKE the cheats/hacks an issue of the past. Not give them warning > that the update is coming. We've dealt with these people for nearly a > year without your help and now you give them the opportunity to 'redeem' > themselves. Sure, ok. If they discontinue use of cheats that your > company has allowed to propagate then who are we to complain right? > Ultimately, you > left the people that give your clients a place to play in the wind and some > of us stuck through it all. (We support 1.6 but not CSS) We gave you nearly > a year to do something about it. The facts speak for themselves. > > To all employees of ValveSoftware: You are obviously not able to deal > with the cheating/hacking of your software. Your history has proved to > the entire > community that you are unable/unwilling to take the necessary measures > to dela with cheating/hacking. I implore you to acquire some type of > association with the AC community to save your game from self-destruction. I > can say without reservation that I personally know that over 50% of > the people I know that were avid CS players have left the game for > CoD, BF/DC, Bia. That perspective shows me that there is a complete > lack of confidence that Valve will follow through with their TOS > and/or they are unable to do so. The fact remains that for your game > to continue to be the leading edge of online gaming that AC needs to > be TOP priority. History has shown your view otherwise. IMMEDIATE, > SWIFT, and DECISIVE action is required to deal with the onslaught of > cheating/hacking in the game that you are in control of. If you can't > handle the job then it only makes sense to give the job to > a dedicated team that can. That does no harm to your firm but affirms > your company's desire to keep pure the game that you spend so much > time/money in > developing. > > I hope these words do not fall on deaf ears. > > Ray S. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alfred > Reynolds > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 7:32 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > VAC2 is top priority right now, check your Steam client for the > message we released today about it. > > - Alfred > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 4:26 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > Sure, great, whatever. I've been here for years as well and I've seen > about > 11 months go by since the last VAC update. So how about that quote in > late December of "VAC2 is coming 'soon'"? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ook > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 5:19 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > If you consider what goes through this list a "torrent", what do you > consider what goes through the SteamPowered forums? :-) > > I would imagine that Valve has very strict rules governing who can > post here and what they can say. Most companies do, or at least once > their lawyers soak them for a million dollars for something some > mouthy employee posts, then they have such policies :) > > I've been on this list for a couple of years, and we have seen several > Valve people come and go. For the most part we have received silence, > and then every now and then someone like you pops up and actually > contributes to the list, answers questions, and addresses issues. For > a while. Then one day they vanish, and we get nothing but silence for > another six months. I imagine most of us that have been around here > for a while are 1) glad we get what support we do get and 2) have lost > a lot of respect for Valve because of the many prolonged episodes of > silence that we get. I think I speak for most if not all of us when I > say we are very gratefull for your presence here, and all you contribute. > > And don't forget - we are on the outside looking in, and all we know > is what you tell us. You might take for granted information that none > of us have access to. Maybe you aren't allowed to talk about things > like how many programmers you have, what they work on, what their > plans are priorities are, etc. Over the years we have discussed many > problems here and we come away from these discussions frustrated and > angry because Valve won't tell us what is going on. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alfred Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:32 PM > Subject: RE: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > > > This is the dedicated server list, not a HL2DM one (we are accepting > > of all mods on this list ;-) Actually lots of people in the company > > subscribe to this list but only a couple of us are game enough to > > dabble our toes in the proverbial torrent of this list. There is > > also no shooting of messengers, Valve has a very flat and > > egalitarian structure (I am a programmer working on a large range of > > projects, I just also happen to participate in this list). > > > > - Alfred > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham > > Robinson > > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:21 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Alfred: Delay in HL2DM patch > > > > Alfred, > > > > I'm sure that I speak for everyone on this mailing list when I say > > thank you for actually listening and responding to us. But when you > > say that the HL2DM team are preparing the update*, where are they? > > Don't they subscribe to their own mailing list? You seem to be the > > messenger, which inevitably means you will be shot (probably with > > some > > > form of awp) for just passing on someone else's information. > > > > * Obviously you said 'we' here but you have said this in different > > emails. > > > > Graham > > > > On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:05:35 -0800, Alfred Reynolds > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> We are preparing the release right now, it will be out later today. > >> > >> - Alfred > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
