oh dear god..leave the lawyers out of this, it's a friggen game.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of wArgOd Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2. If the gaming community got together on this topic and did some research we might find some interesting language in many service agreements that cheaters routinely violate. For instance, the service providing myg0t's domain name registry & forwarding/cloaking has an agreement with language to the effect that the service cannot be used for activies violate the rights of others. To wit: From the domain registry agreement myg0t.com is registered under: *Quote:* to the best of your knowledge and belief, neither the registration of the domain name for which you have applied for, renewed, managed, or transferred nor the manner in which you intend to use the domain name you applied for, renewed, managed, or transferred, directly or indirectly infringes upon or otherwise violate the legal or equitable rights of any third party; (iii) it is your responsibility to determine whether your domain name registration infringes or violates someone else's rights; (iv) you are not registering, renewing, managing, or transferring the domain name for an unlawful purpose and you will not knowingly use the domain name in violation of any applicable laws or regulations; (The ISP involved is located in Carey, NC if anyone lives around there and wants to pay them a "courtesy call" visit) WellAllRightyThen.... If all game hosters/server ops/admins all placed language in the motd.txt to this same effect then the myg0t website could be sent packing. Maybe. And all Steam ID's banned for cheating, if reported back to the server admin, could be tracked back to the IP address and a standard form letter emailed to the cheater's ISP abuse address with the log and details. When the cheater's ISP gets enough abuse complaints then the cheater might have to switch to dialup for internet access. etc. Now if myg0t was constantly harassed by thousands of people complaining to the ISP/Registrars everywhere they went then eventually they would give up. I have used this technique to halt activities of a different sort of bothersome group but that group was not as persistent as myg0ts thus the need for thousands of people and maybe even lawyers (shudder) hassling any unlucky business that finds themselves in the middle between myg0t and the world. (hint: 10 to 20 bucks a year to an ISP/Registrar is not worth all this hassle is it?) Oh, and the "unlawful purpose" part.... myg0t wisely uses other less intelligent people's services for hax deployment so they can argue the freedom of speech thing. However, thanks in part to Osama, the way these activities are viewed today are not as friendly towards malcontents who need psychiatric care & counseling in addition to a severe need for psychogenic medications. Thus why I think a "grassroots" effort to shut the cornholios of the game world down can be successfull today whereas it would have been impossible in 1999. Sounds like a lot of work but it would aggregate into less work than all of us admins have contended with since 1998 when myg0t appeared. Hopefully I have not indavertantly offended anyone. If I did I apologize. I see no need for any flame fest on this topic. Note I did not mention a class action lawsuit in the above. However, I would never rule out such potential future happenings should a wiley law firm with deep pockets decide to go for it. I imagine the damages since 1998 would easily reach into the billion dollar range. That equates to a lot of parents of myg0ts losing their retirement plans, houses, cars, etc. The Tears of the Alligator would flow heavily lol... Regards..... Adam Dolton wrote: > To this, if your server says "if you play in this server and you hack in > this server your account will be permantly banned from steam" and you > hack, then you violate terms of agreement to play on the server anyway. > This would be the user's own fault and therefore any lawsuit would be > bogus and crap anyway. > And another thing.. > > EULA: > > Steam and the Steam Software may include functionality designed to > identify software or hardware processes or functionality that may give a > player an unfair competitive advantage when playing multiplayer versions > of any Steam Software, other Valve products, or modifications thereof > ("Cheats"). You agree that you will not directly or indirectly disable, > circumvent, or otherwise interfere with the operation of software > designed to prevent or report the use of Cheats. You acknowledge and > agree that either Valve or any online multiplayer host may refuse to > allow you to participate in certain online multiplayer games if you use > Cheats in connection with Steam or the Steam Software. Further, you > acknowledge and agree that an online multiplayer host may report your > use of Cheats to Valve, and Valve may communicate your history of use of > Cheats to other online multiplayer hosts for Valve products. > > Valve may terminate your Account or a particular Subscription for any > conduct or activity that Valve believes is illegal, Cheating or > otherwise negatively affects the enjoyment of Steam by other > Subscribers. You acknowledge that Valve is not required to provide you > notice before terminating your Subscriptions(s) and/or Account, but it > may choose to do so. > > If people read the EULA (which a lawyer will probably end up doing) it > says right there, IF YOU CHEAT valve doesnt even need to notify you that > your account is banned.. > I know there will never be an end to hackers or stupid lawsuits, but > right there is standing proof, that if you sue a store for being banned > from steam because you hacked, you violated the EULA.. aka meaning, your > lawsuit is pathetic and that store isnt liable for your refund. > It is that users own damn fault. > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
