Why would you think a kid who sits on his ass all day while mom and dad
pay the bills will have the time and money to say hmm let me sue valve
because I need to cheat

Playing on a insecure server especially without CD  is asking for
trouble IMO lol

To say you do not understand EULA/TOS when it clearly states click YES
if you understand it won't work with a good prosecution team.  You just
threw your right to sue away!

Regards

Bud Ingram wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: "WarCry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Suggestion for VAC2.




Obviously you didnt know that this lawsuit was overturned in appeal and
the woman only managed to get her medical bills covered by the mcdonalds
companies and thats it.




My closing comments on topic:

Bottom line is that VALVe will only be banning cheaters from "secure
servers."  These players will continue to be able to cheat on non-secure
servers to their heart's content.  The original argument I replied to was
the suggestion that cheaters be banned from all VALVe products, this will
never happen, and for the exact reason you stated... Overturning via appeal,
but still paying for medical bills, does not show that McDonalds won.  Your
suggestion of anything obvious is that you don't appreciate that McDonalds
ultimaely lost the case; likewise, if you were to permanently ban any
cheater from being able to use VALVe products, a class action lawsuit could
easily be filed to force VALVe to refund the pruchase price of the software
as people could prove they they didn't understand the TOS/ELUA in regard to
software found to "update" their game play experience -- a good lawyer could
prove that use of custom graphics, sounds, add-ons or maps could also be
considered in the same category as any other download that would enhance an
individuals game play experience via predition of movement, auto-aim, etc.
Let's face it, a cheater is doing it for their enjoyment or they wouldn't be
doing it.  A lawyer could probably prove that their client needs to utilize
the cheats in order to maintain an equal playing field between their client
and good players due to <fill-in-your-disability-of-choice>, all because
American's believe in absolute non-discrimination.

Regards,

Bud Ingram

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