I'll just get right to the point: 1) Even tho it seems like it sometimes, not all of the admins who contribute to this list are morons. In fact, some of them just might have been doing this longer than you.
2) Some of the server side cvars for source are broken - sv_minrate for example. 3) Last I checked, cl_cmdrate isnt affected by sv_minupdaterate/sv_maxupdatearte so much as cl_updaterate is. 4) A player with a cl_cmdrate rate lower than default, gains an advantage by not being able to be hit like other legit players in the server are. The closer cl_cmdrate gets to 0, the more difficult it becomes. It doesn't matter how your server cvars are set, that's a fact. 5) My server, my rules - if I choose to use cexec on a client that's cheating/exploiting, I'll do it and I am well within my rights to do so. As is every other admin who pays for and runs a server. James, you almost always have something useful to contribute to the mailing list here. This time tho, you're out of line. Have I learned a few tips and tricks from the list? Sure... Anyone who can sift thru the bullshit here has. However, I don't need you or anyone to tell me how I should be running my server, I've been doing this for a helluva long time, and I'm pretty sure I can tell when someone is using a setting they shouldn't be that is giving them an unfair advantage over others. Try staying on topic, contribute to the discussion where it counts, and lose the holier-than-thou attitude. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Tucker Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 11:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [hlds] cl_cmdrate.... I really cannot believe that this list is still being populated by people that DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE CLEARLY. Morover they are willing to ENFORCE INCORRECT SETTINGS ON OTHERS! With the apparent reliance on those settings coming from BAD SERVER CONFIGURATION. Wake up, and stop abusing cexec, which you SHOULD NOT USE TO DO THIS. More inline... > Is using a cmdrate that is lower then it should be aka cl_cmdrate 0-10 > on broadband connections considered cheating? If sv_minupdaterate is set to 0, this can be a problem. If you want to solve your problem, set this to a non-moronic level, like 12 or so to support low bandwidth clients, or if you have predominantly broadband players, set it to 20. Don't bother to set it higher than 20 or your clients with default settings may "lag". > I ask because I am seeing this widespread throughout the servers I > have travelled (as well as my own). I ban for it, because imo it is > rate hacking, just wanted the communities input on this one. Cl_cmdrate when set very low produces a false value for ping in the score panel. This doesn't seem to affect the servers internal RTT's, although I don't know why there is a difference, Alfred? > From what I can tell using this setting on broadband causes you to > warp to other players making you almost impossible to hit. 1. This shouldn't cause warping unless sv_maxunlag is set too low, along with YOUR (not the rater, but YOU) cl_interp is too low! 2. Warping affects that player aswell as his adversary (*if* it's a problem with *his* setting, else it's actually just your settings!). His bullets will fire from the position he was in (by the servers knowledge) at the angle he was facing, this does not properly sync at such low rates. In other words, is as much a trouble for him as it is for you. > I have written vALVE offlist in hopes they look at this issue and lock > the cvar someday. But I am curious what my fellow admins think. So > please reply with your thoughts. And please, lets keep it civil, no > feeding the trolls. 8) I don't think locking it is the right thing to do. I love playing on a server where I can get 100/100, but in order to do so, I have to turn my client graphics settings down till I get consistently over 100fps to use it without client choke. At the moment many of my personal regular games are coming from a 33 tick server though, and as such I play with 33/33. I am on a very high bandwidth link, so networking issues aren't much of a problem for me, but still, I DON'T want to see these vars "locked", a restricted range might make sense. To be honest though, people just need to learn to configure their server cvars properly. Personally I don't suffer issues with rates, mine or anyone else's. I've run test servers from ADSL connections with sv_maxupdaterate 12, and they feel smoother than most of the commercial gameservers out there, despite the average ping ending up over 50 for more than 8 players. Each and every player was happy with the performance. Clearly, you're rates are probably set too high, not too low, and your latency timers are far too short. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bush > Sent: 21 November 2005 06:49 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [hlds] cl_cmdrate.... > > I fix their rates for them.. I have a key binded on my server to > adjust everyones rates at the same time. this is done using mani mod > > ma_cexec_all cl_cmdrate 60; ma_cexec_all cl_update 100; ma_cexec_all > rate 25000 > > Bush WELL THANKS FOR CHOKING EVERYONE UP YOU MORON. No really, this kind of admin abuse really gets me riled. YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT, MANI's CHOICES ARE IMO DANGEROUS. Ever found host_writeconfig? I bet after mentioning it, you'll hit that too. Before you do though, would you mind going onto a low end client who's getting around 30fps, and setting those values. Try and play for a bit. ~Notice the massive choke on both channels - these settings ARE NOT GOOD FOR EVERYONE. Stop forcing people to run you're un-educated settings. Thanks. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Payton > Sent: 21 November 2005 07:03 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [hlds] cl_cmdrate.... > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > -- > How about locking it down to a specific range? Like 20 to 100 > - no higher, and definately no lower? It's a good command to leave > adjustable, as I regularly adjust mine depending on the server I play > on. > > Make to where if someone puts in a value between 0-19, it defaults to > 20. NO NO NO NO NO. Sv_maxupdaterate < 20 is used in many places, and produces more than workable servers. You're clearly totally inexperienced with low rate servers, which suggests your true understanding of rates is poor anyway. If you're servers "lagging" with someones rate set to 12, you have incorrect server settings or clients settings, or both. Feh, what am I saying it for, you won't believe me.. Try here: 84.9.127.182:27015 I'll leave this up for a few days. It's a p3 500Mhz, it's pushing 500fps on the server side. Connected to an ADSL line, maxed to about 50,000kbps. I've set sv_maxupdaterate 12 and sv_maxunlag 1. This server is more than playable, in fact it lags less than MANY MAJOR GSP's servers, which makes me laugh - hard. (especially as I pulled this thing out of a skip and it's just a gateway machine). Now please admin community, engage brain and stop suggesting stupid settings based upon knowledge you've made up in your imagination. _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
