-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] A lass my evil task is done, Whisper is finally hearing the Whisper's I have been projecting with my cable modem :D
Dude the little bird that you have been listing to is quite wrong, I certainly don't hate you, and have found many answers whipped up from your keyboard of great help.Dustin Tuft > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] > Sdk update> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:11:29 +1000> > --> [ Picked text/plain > from multipart/alternative ]> This is the Windows HLDS list right?> > You all > hate me btw, or so I am told.> > On 8/8/06, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:> >> > Please excuse my unsolicited (and lengthy) comments... I believe > both> > sides of this discussion have valid points but we would all be > better> > off if we stopped flaming each other and just stuck to pertinent> > > comments, pro or con as it were.> >> > I too believe Valve does an excellent > job but I have also been extremely> > frustrated by (some) updates that are > as likely to introduce a problem> > as they are to fix one. Could I do it > better than Valve? Probably> > not... but I couldn't perform my own brain > surgery either... that> > doesn't mean I'd accept poor brain surgery from my > brain surgeon.> >> > One of the U.S. Astronauts upon landing on the Moon > described the scene> > as "Magnificent Desolation"... at times that's how I > feel about> > Microsoft. It's truly magnificent in it's scope and it has > improved> > immeasurably over the years but it's glaring weakness relative > to> > security more often than not creates problems for the average user > while> > barely slowing down those with malevolent intent. On the stability> > > front... the average (and even above average) PC user today appears to> > > be unaware that you should "never" require an unscheduled re-boot a> > > computer... that a re-boot is indicative of a serious problem that the> > OS > didn't handle properly.> >> > Microsoft's extremely useful XP feature... > Restore Points... is> > basically an admission that they can't stop malicious > code, so the next> > best thing is to keep a snapshot of the system at > various points in> > order to turn back time to a point before the problem. > Not a bad idea> > given the porous nature of the OS... but what does it tell > you about> > Microsoft's ability to prevent the problem in the first place?> > >> > Can any of you professional IT guys out there imagine a scenario by> > > which you needed to re-boot your mainframe or even your mid-range> > > computers on a regular basis? Such a condition would never be tolerated> > > in a professional, mission critical environment... but with PC's, it's> > > expected. This may be the root reason why so many Unix guys can't stand> > > Microsoft... Unix is more a mainframe OS (but can run on a PC) and as> > such > appeals more to the mainframe mentality of 100% availability 100%> > of the > time but Microsoft is exclusively a PC OS and must hold sway to a> > wider > variety of operator capabilities... including your aunt Tessi who> > has > trouble with left handed door knobs.> >> > So we have two distinct and > different OS environments, each with it's> > strengths and weakness, being > compared in a head-to-head competition> > which neither can win on merit > alone. In the final analysis personal> > preference and professional > experience should be your guide. In my> > opinion Valve should be commended > for even attempting to accommodate the> > two disparate environments and I > both applaud their excellent efforts> > and encourage them to continue to > improve their offerings as they have> > consistently done in the past.> >> > > Thanks for listening...> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Dave > Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:52 AM> > > To: [email protected]> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Sdk update> >> >> > > Adam it was a point not that it actually happens. But if i used windows> > on > my desktop it would be expected that i bought a virus scanner @ about> > £50, > spyware/malware protection @ about £20 - £30, an office suite> > (microsoft > would prefer it it if was ms office too) @ £500+ depending on> > the > flavour.> >> > With linux all i have to do is spend about an hour d/ling a > distro off> > the net. I then spend 45 mins installing it and bob's your > uncle fully> > working os with office suite and more tools that i care to > mention (that> > would cost hundreds of pounds to get a similar amount for > windows)> > that's virtually virus proof and no one bothers writing malware > for> > because they won't be able to get it to run on the remote system.> >> > > Adam Sando wrote:> > > Dave, you obviously do not know the first thing > about managing servers> > > running Windows Operating Systems. If your > machine is being "trashed"> > by> > > spyware/malware/etc-ware, and you need > to re-install it every week,> > > perhaps you need to do two things:> > > 1. > Stop installing un-trusted junk on your server> > > 2. Learn how to admin a > Windows server/desktop, so you can fix your> > > stupid mistakes made in > point #1 above.> > >> > > Servers installed by me back when Windows 2000 > first came out, are> > still> > > running with the same crusty version of > Windows 2000 quite happily.> > This> > > is primarily because I don't install > every piece of junk on them, and> > > use a UAT-esque system for testing new > application deployments. This,> > I> > > would have thought, would be > considered best practice - and as part of> > > your UAT phase, you would > discover things like "oh wow this cool> > server> > > tool installs bonzi > buddy as part of its package. I better not put> > that> > > on my production > system".> > >> > > All you have shown Dave, is ignorance.> > >> > > Oh, and > please do not flame me coz im 12 and uber leet lololol rofl> > etc> > > etc.> > > >> > > Regards,> > > Adam> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wim Barelds> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2006 1:32 PM> > > To: [email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Sdk update> > >> > > --> > > [ Picked text/plain from > multipart/alternative ] Dave, shut up.> > Windows> > > has been improving > siginificantly in terms os stability and security.> > > The only one being > significantly ignorant here is you and your linux> > > fan-boy-ish ass.> > > > A) Linux distributions also have security issues> > > B) Linux distributions > are also released with major bugs.> > > C) Microsoft shouldn't have to pay > the bill your your lacking abbility> > > of maintaining a computer.> > >> > > > Alfred has already said that the supposed "error", was not an error> > but> > > > was in fact simply a change.> > > Your "they can't support both" statement > clearly is built on pretty> > much> > > nothing. On top of that SrcDS.exe and > the Source SDK both cost you no> > > money what-so-ever. Valve owes you > nothing.> > > This includes, but is not limited to; Valve doesn't owe you a > bug-free> > > SDK.> > >> > > On 8/8/06, Dave Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:> > >> > >> this is a quote from the link bush gave .> > >>> > >> At > Microsoft's Tech Ed conference in Amsterdam on Wednesday, a> > session> > >>> > > >> > >> > >> was devoted to how, according to one Microsoft fan at least, > the> > Linux> > >>> > >> > >> > >> kernel is beginning to resemble, well -- > Windows.> > >>> > >> that person is a blithering idiot. the 2 os's are aimed > at two very> > >> different markets. the fact that he claims the gap in > securtiy in the> > >> two is closing is laughable. Microsoft couldn't build a > secure safe,> > >> let alone an operating system.> > >>> > >> that whole > article served only one purpose. to try and rubbish linux> > >> to the home > windows user. tbf until microsoft actually produces a> > >> product that> > > >>> > >> A) has a security system that can be trusted> > >>> > >> B) isn't > released with major bugs in it> > >>> > >> C) generally works with out me > having to spend hundreds if not> > >> thousands of pounds a year extra to > keep my machine in a state where> > i> > >>> > >> > >> > >> don't have to > format the hard drive every week just so i know there> > >> isn't any > lingering malware/spyware hiding deep down in the os. i'll> > >> stick to my > linux box.> > >>> > >> One of the reasons i switched was because i had had > enough of> > ignorant> > >>> > >> > >> > >> bastards such as yourself pushing > windows even with all its major> > >> flaws, trying to persuade ppl that even > though it [windows] is> > >> blatantly inadequate, it is a better product > that everything else.> > >>> > >> Once again MS has succeeded in brain > washing another poor innocent.> > Go> > >>> > >> > >> > >> back to your > beloved pile of shite and keep you opinions to yourself.> > >>> > >> Nobody > like being attacked for voicing their views and doug didn't> > >> deserve it, > he made a valid point. how did you like being flamed for> > >> being an > incorrect, arrogant knob? not fun was it?> > >>> > >> Bush wrote:> > >>> > > >>> Here you got mr. know-it-all; read this.> > >>>> > >>> > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39159290,00.htm> > >>>> > >>> Just to give > you a little more of an idea why its so difficult to> > >>> manage> > >>>> > > >> and> > >>> > >>> debug such a huge project as this.> > >>>> > >>> Next > time do a little more research before you come looking for> > >>> cattle> > > >>>> > >> to> > >>> > >>> slaughter mr. map maker.> > >>>> > >>> BTW.. aren't > there enough maps for this game already?> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > _______________________________________________> > >>> To unsubscribe, edit > your list preferences, or view the list> > >>> archives,> > >>>> > >> please > visit:> > >>> > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > _______________________________________________> > >> To unsubscribe, edit > your list preferences, or view the list> > archives,> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > please visit:> > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> > > >>> > >>> > > --> > >> > > _______________________________________________> > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives,> > > > please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> > >> > > > _______________________________________________> > > To unsubscribe, edit > your list preferences, or view the list archives,> > please visit:> > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives,> > please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives,> > please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> --> > > _______________________________________________> To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
