Well, not people that own an island and are unaffiliated with any
government, and they do exist, i think.
does the president have to pay taxes on his 400+k a year?
Alfred Reynolds wrote:
You forgot taxes, gotta do them too.
- Alfred
Chris Barnett wrote:
With respect,
Anyone who complains about anything or pushes a suggestion forward on
a
public mailing list, or the Steam forums, in the hope that Valve would
listen, can be told by some random stranger "Hey, you know, Valve
doesn't
have to do that..." - And it never helps anyone.
We know Valve doesn't have to do anything. None of us has to do
anything.
If you really want to know the bottom line, the only thing any of us
have to
do, is die.
I don't think there is a single person on this mailing list, who
hasn't read
the rather bleeding obvious fact that Valve doesn't have to do what
we want.
You might as well tell us all that the sky is blue.
Cheers,
Chris.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Luna
Sent: 11 December 2006 21:40
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Understood... but I was just using the Cable TV thing as an example
of a
dramatic departure from the accepted norm. The bottom line is you
have the
choice of running a server or not running a server. If you choose to
run a
server Valve owes you exactly Jack Squat. If you think that isn't
fair then
you can exercise your right not to run a server. I think server
admin's run servers because it's their passion and making money is a
distant secondary consideration. If Valve wants to pay me to run my
server I'll be more than
happy to cash the checks, but if they don't I'll still run my server.
-----Original Message-----
From: Saint K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 2:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Goin on about the TV stuff, your TV doesnt actually provide anything
to the network. You can see your tv as a "leecher" and we server
hosts, as the "TV
cable provider"(We just dont provide the programs playing on it....
You can
see it as a free TV station for broadcasters).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Luna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
By many years... rofl. Lets put it this way... when I was a kid we
listened
to radio because there were very few televisions.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 10:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Can ya beat 42??
:)
From: "Edward Luna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/12/09 Sat AM 06:28:24 CST
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
"... waffling more than John Kerry." ROFL!
Okay... seriously now. I've seen this all before and you guys are
100% correct to be concerned but you're also spitting into the wind.
The times they are a changin and in-game adds are comin. To quote a
phrase oft used by one incredibly sexy ex-Borg... "resistance is
futile".
I'm a bit older then; well... all of you (hehehe), and I lived
through this before. No, not adds in movie theaters... that was
relatively recent... I'm talking about Cable Television. Back in
the dark ages (before computers) there was but a handful of
channels, available only via "Rabbit Ears" or an antennae on your
roof. Then one day someone mentioned that we would soon be
introduced to something called Cable Television and that we would
have to pay a monthly fee to watch TV. The world laughed out loud
at such a ridiculous concept... "Pay to watch the television I
already paid for?... Not on your life"! Or so we thought.
Now don't get me wrong... you can still use an antenna if you want,
but who among us really wants to go back to 7 snowy channels spewing
forth the party line when we can have hundreds of crystal clear
channels with something that fits just about every taste and style?
Remember... when your done changing, you're done.
-----Original Message-----
From: [DMA]RocketUSA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
IF this all is true, Valve is waffling more than John Kerry. Think
about this. They disable the content server loading banner for all
of us that provide servers for this game, AT NO CHARGE TO THEM, and
now they see that they can make revenue off of not just that but IN
GAME also so it's o.k.?
I'm not liking this ride if it's true.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
Some of you seem to "get it". For the others, corporations are all
about making money and they will continually try to come up with
ways to make more. As long as what they do continues to make them
money (or in this case even more money), they will not change. They
would not implement a change unless they believed that their gains
(in advertising revenues) would outweigh any losses (in gamers).
Alot of people like to play this game and will continue to play no
matter what. Most GSP's will continue to host until they are no
longer making money. In the end, its a waiting game. Does their
gamble pay off or not? Only the players, the GSP's and time will
tell.
Me? I shut my server down. Time to move on to another game and see
if I can find some of the fun that I use to have playing CS.
Just my .02
From: Wojciech H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2006/12/08 Fri AM 11:28:57 CST
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hlds] VALVe wants advertisements in CS 1.6
In game ads have already been done, and Valve is just following the
'trend' I guess. For instance, BF2142 has in game ads, and a lot of
people did not buy the game based on it.
I think some arguments for having in game advertising is to pay for
maintaining: the games, the update system, the many more
updates/addons that people have started to expect, the master
server lists, etc.
Dan E wrote:
As far as region specific, don't you specify what
language you speak when you install Steam?
I'm personally ticked off that they want us to look at
ads in a game which we have already paid for. A demo
I can understand, but this is just rediculous.
--- Steven Hartland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This brings some interesting questions:
* How are they going the ensure the adds are region specific
This is required to ensure that the language is
correct and
local laws adhered to.
* How are they going to deal with the case that the ad's
may go against sponsorship deals for the servers or tournaments
etc.
Its not going to go down well if a Intel sponsored
tourney
started displaying adds for AMD processors in the
middle
of the match.
By the same reasoning if provider X started
advertising
and this where to show up on provider Y's servers
they
would be understandably pissed.
These are just two logistical issues which spring to mind.
Steve
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