theres always a way ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: hlds digest, Vol 1 #5261 - 1 msg
> Send hlds mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of hlds digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: hlds digest, Vol 1 #5254 - 8 msgs ($cookie_()) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:02:31 +0000 > From: "$cookie_()" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [hlds] Re: hlds digest, Vol 1 #5254 - 8 msgs > Reply-To: [email protected] > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > 72.3.184.144 - 72.3.184.159 dont seem to make any difference. I tried > 72.3.184.144 - 72.3.184.159 also but that dont seem to change anything > eather. > > Suggestions? > > On 3/9/07, Chris Bass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > First off, HLDS DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ADS. PERIOD, ADS ARE > > DOWNLOADED CLIENT SIDE AND SERVER DOES NOT KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. > > > > Second off, they are using the same company that BF2142 did. I imagine > > the technique used by CS 1.6 is similar if not the same. Do a search for > > BF2142 ads and see what you can dig up. > > > > *cough*Firewall off 72.3.184.144 - 72.3.184.159 *cough* > > > > [xXx] con wrote: > > > does anyone have a solution to removing these ads, or do we need to find > > > someone to piddle the files, because i have noticed a HUGE decline in > > the > > > purchase of cs 1.6 servers. > > > a client complained the other day that his server was not doing well, > > and > > > after visiting his server i saw why. > > > what a shame this is. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:48 PM > > > Subject: hlds digest, Vol 1 #5254 - 8 msgs > > > > > > > > > > > >> Send hlds mailing list submissions to > > >> [email protected] > > >> > > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > >> than "Re: Contents of hlds digest..." > > >> > > >> > > >> Today's Topics: > > >> > > >> 1. RE: Ingame adds, who will remove them? (Edward Luna) > > >> 2. Re: Ingame adds, who will remove them? (Whisper) > > >> 3. Re: Ingame adds, who will remove them? (Roman Hatsiev) > > >> 4. Re: Ingame adds, who will remove them? (Cc2iscooL) > > >> 5. Voice and Voice text improvements. (Chris Barnett) > > >> 6. RE: Ingame adds, who will remove them? (J. Laws - Hi-Definition > > >> > > > Gaming) > > > > > >> 7. RE: Ingame adds, who will remove them? (Jason O. Washburn) > > >> 8. RE: Ingame adds, who will remove them? (Gigabit Nick) > > >> > > >> -- __--__-- > > >> > > >> Message: 1 > > >> Subject: RE: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them? > > >> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:59:30 -0500 > > >> From: "Edward Luna" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: <[email protected]> > > >> Reply-To: [email protected] > > >> > > >> Commercials in movie theaters have nothing to do with the movie > > theater, > > >> > > > th= > > > > > >> ey're built into the film (client side). Without the movie theaters > > >> > > > Hollyw= > > > > > >> ood has no outlet for their films and without the servers Valve has no > > >> > > > outl= > > > > > >> et for their MP games. > > >> > > >> Bottom line... your server is the equivalent of the screen in a movie > > >> > > > theat= > > > > > >> er. Valve's movie is playing on your projector. There is only one > > Valve > > >> > > > b= > > > > > >> ut an almost limitless number of projectors... those currently in > > >> > > > operation= > > > > > >> and those that will take their place in the event the current > > projectors > > >> > > > (= > > > > > >> servers) drop out. > > >> > > >> TBH... it's amazing Valve has lasted this long. The original game was > > so > > >> > > > g= > > > > > >> ood that it's carried them well past what would normally be considered > > a > > >> > > > re= > > > > > >> asonable product life. Valve must evolve or go the way of Acclaim > > >> > > > Entertai= > > > > > >> nment. > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Kevin Ottalini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:45 PM > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them? > > >> > > >> > > >> One thing I thought I would toss out here is that the in-game ads are > > >> > > > purel= > > > > > >> y > > >> client-side and servers (and server admins and operators) have nothing > > to > > >> > > > d= > > > > > >> o > > >> with providing them, control over them or with being involved with > > >> > > > promotin= > > > > > >> g > > >> the ads or the ad content. > > >> > > >> Even though I personally don't enjoy having non-original content on > > maps > > >> while I play, this issue is similar to player sprays except the ads > > will > > >> never have any porn or abusive content. > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> > > > plea= > > > > > >> se visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > >> > > >> -- __--__-- > > >> > > >> Message: 2 > > >> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 03:30:13 +1100 > > >> From: Whisper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them? > > >> Reply-To: [email protected] > > >> > > >> -- > > >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > >> The Cinema is allowed to play their own ads and thereby generate > > revenue, > > >> > > > to > > > > > >> people brought to the Cinema by the movie made by Hollywood. > > >> > > >> On 3/9/07, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Commercials in movie theaters have nothing to do with the movie > > theater, > > >>> they're built into the film (client side). Without the movie theaters > > >>> Hollywood has no outlet for their films and without the servers Valve > > >>> > > > has no > > > > > >>> outlet for their MP games. > > >>> > > >>> Bottom line... your server is the equivalent of the screen in a movie > > >>> theater. Valve's movie is playing on your projector. There is only > > one > > >>> Valve but an almost limitless number of projectors... those currently > > in > > >>> operation and those that will take their place in the event the > > current > > >>> projectors (servers) drop out. > > >>> > > >>> TBH... it's amazing Valve has lasted this long. The original game was > > >>> > > > so > > > > > >>> good that it's carried them well past what would normally be > > considered > > >>> > > > a > > > > > >>> reasonable product life. Valve must evolve or go the way of Acclaim > > >>> Entertainment. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: Kevin Ottalini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:45 PM > > >>> To: [email protected] > > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> One thing I thought I would toss out here is that the in-game ads are > > >>> purely > > >>> client-side and servers (and server admins and operators) have nothing > > >>> > > > to > > > > > >>> do > > >>> with providing them, control over them or with being involved with > > >>> promoting > > >>> the ads or the ad content. > > >>> > > >>> Even though I personally don't enjoy having non-original content on > > maps > > >>> while I play, this issue is similar to player sprays except the ads > > will > > >>> never have any porn or abusive content. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > > >>> please visit: > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >>> please visit: > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> > > >> -- __--__-- > > >> > > >> Message: 3 > > >> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 20:10:20 +0300 > > >> From: "Roman Hatsiev" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them? > > >> Reply-To: [email protected] > > >> > > >> The only difference is that in our case Valve sells tickets to our > > >> > > > theaters= > > > > > >> ... > > >> > > >> On 08/03/07, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Commercials in movie theaters have nothing to do with the movie > > theater, > > >>> > > > = > > > > > >> they're built into the film (client side). Without the movie theaters > > >> > > > Holl= > > > > > >> ywood has no outlet for their films and without the servers Valve has > > no > > >> > > > ou= > > > > > >> tlet for their MP games. > > >> > > >>> Bottom line... your server is the equivalent of the screen in a movie > > >>> > > > the= > > > > > >> ater. Valve's movie is playing on your projector. There is only one > > >> > > > Valve= > > > > > >> but an almost limitless number of projectors... those currently in > > >> > > > operati= > > > > > >> on and those that will take their place in the event the current > > >> > > > projectors= > > > > > >> (servers) drop out. > > >> > > >>> TBH... it's amazing Valve has lasted this long. The original game was > > >>> > > > so= > > > > > >> good that it's carried them well past what would normally be > > considered a > > >> > > > = > > > > > >> reasonable product life. Valve must evolve or go the way of Acclaim > > >> > > > Entert= > > > > > >> ainment. > > >> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: Kevin Ottalini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:45 PM > > >>> To: [email protected] > > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> One thing I thought I would toss out here is that the in-game ads are > > >>> > > > pur= > > > > > >> ely > > >> > > >>> client-side and servers (and server admins and operators) have nothing > > >>> > > > to= > > > > > >> do > > >> > > >>> with providing them, control over them or with being involved with > > >>> > > > promot= > > > > > >> ing > > >> > > >>> the ads or the ad content. > > >>> > > >>> Even though I personally don't enjoy having non-original content on > > maps > > >>> while I play, this issue is similar to player sprays except the ads > > will > > >>> never have any porn or abusive content. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >>> > > > pl= > > > > > >> ease visit: > > >> > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > > >>> > > > pl= > > > > > >> ease visit: > > >> > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -- __--__-- > > >> > > >> Message: 4 > > >> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:17:47 -0600 > > >> From: Cc2iscooL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them? > > >> Reply-To: [email protected] > > >> > > >> -- > > >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > >> No, actually they're putting the ads in our theaters. > > >> > > >> Selling tickets to the theaters would equate to Valve charging a fee > > for > > >> people to join servers. > > >> > > >> Just wanted to point that one out. =) > > >> > > >> On 3/8/07, Roman Hatsiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >>> The only difference is that in our case Valve sells tickets to our > > >>> theaters... > > >>> > > >>> On 08/03/07, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Commercials in movie theaters have nothing to do with the movie > > >>>> > > > theater, > > > > > >>> they're built into the film (client side). Without the movie theaters > > > > >>> Hollywood has no outlet for their films and without the servers Valve > > >>> > > > has no > > > > > >>> outlet for their MP games. > > >>> > > >>>> Bottom line... your server is the equivalent of the screen in a movie > > > > >>>> > > >>> theater. Valve's movie is playing on your projector. There is only > > one > > >>> Valve but an almost limitless number of projectors... those currently > > in > > >>> operation and those that will take their place in the event the > > current > > >>> projectors (servers) drop out. > > >>> > > >>>> TBH... it's amazing Valve has lasted this long. The original game > > was > > >>>> > > >>> so good that it's carried them well past what would normally be > > >>> > > > considered a > > > > > >>> reasonable product life. Valve must evolve or go the way of Acclaim > > >>> Entertainment. > > >>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: Kevin Ottalini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:45 PM > > >>>> To: [email protected] > > >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> One thing I thought I would toss out here is that the in-game ads are > > > > >>>> > > >>> purely > > >>> > > >>>> client-side and servers (and server admins and operators) have > > nothing > > >>>> > > >>> to do > > >>> > > >>>> with providing them, control over them or with being involved with > > >>>> > > >>> promoting > > >>> > > >>>> the ads or the ad content. > > >>>> > > >>>> Even though I personally don't enjoy having non-original content on > > >>>> > > > maps > > > > > >>>> while I play, this issue is similar to player sprays except the ads > > >>>> > > > will > > > > > >>>> never have any porn or abusive content. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > >>>> > > >>> please visit: > > >>> > > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > >>>> > > >>> please visit: > > >>> > > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > > >>> please visit: > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> > > >> -- __--__-- > > >> > > >> Message: 5 > > >> From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: < [email protected]> > > >> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 17:21:28 -0000 > > >> Subject: [hlds] Voice and Voice text improvements. > > >> Reply-To: [email protected] > > >> > > >> This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > >> -- > > >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > >> Where's the BETA? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Gabe, Doug, Alfred > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Any improvements to Source, mean absolutely NOTHING but blood, sweat, > > >> > > > tears > > > > > >> and heartache for us server operators unless there is a beta. I thought > > we > > >> was getting somewhere with this point. I thought you guys had taken > > >> > > > onboard > > > > > >> our concerns regarding updates to Source. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> But it seems you're not listening. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> If you're going to cause me problems on every update and you're not > > going > > >> > > > to > > > > > >> listen to concerns of server operators. Why should I should bother > > running > > >> servers which are running Source? Why not build my community around > > >> > > > servers > > > > > >> that I know I can keep running without being sabotaged by the very > > people > > >> who make the game? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> If there has been a beta going on for the improved voice and text, that > > I > > >> > > > am > > > > > >> not aware of, then please accept my apologies. But if you haven't done > > a > > >> beta program and you are just going to dump this update on us tomorrow, > > >> > > > then > > > > > >> us server operators are one step closer to finding different games to > > >> > > > host. > > > > > >> > > >> Chris Barnett > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- __--__-- > > >> > > >> Message: 6 > > >> From: "J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: <[email protected]> > > >> Subject: RE: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them? > > >> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 12:43:59 -0500 > > >> Organization: Hi-Definition Gaming LLC > > >> Reply-To: [email protected] > > >> > > >> Not quite. Valve would be selling tickets to enter the theater showing > > > > >> VALVe "movies", once inside they still have to pay us to get into the > > >> theater. So they would be making cash on the entry for the 'theater' > > and > > >> for the ad impressions for those who pay us to host their "movie". I > > hate > > >> metaphors. > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Cc2iscooL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:18 PM > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them? > > >> > > >> -- > > >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] No, actually they're > > >> putting the ads in our theaters. > > >> > > >> Selling tickets to the theaters would equate to Valve charging a fee > > for > > >> people to join servers. > > >> > > >> Just wanted to point that one out. =) > > >> > > >> On 3/8/07, Roman Hatsiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >>> The only difference is that in our case Valve sells tickets to our > > >>> theaters... > > >>> > > >>> On 08/03/07, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Commercials in movie theaters have nothing to do with the movie > > >>>> theater, > > >>>> > > >>> they're built into the film (client side). Without the movie theaters > > >>> Hollywood has no outlet for their films and without the servers Valve > > >>> has no outlet for their MP games. > > >>> > > >>>> Bottom line... your server is the equivalent of the screen in a > > >>>> movie > > >>>> > > >>> theater. Valve's movie is playing on your projector. There is only > > >>> one Valve but an almost limitless number of projectors... those > > >>> currently in operation and those that will take their place in the > > >>> event the current projectors (servers) drop out. > > >>> > > >>>> TBH... it's amazing Valve has lasted this long. The original game > > >>>> was > > >>>> > > >>> so good that it's carried them well past what would normally be > > >>> considered a reasonable product life. Valve must evolve or go the way > > >>> of Acclaim Entertainment. > > >>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: Kevin Ottalini [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:45 PM > > >>>> To: [email protected] > > >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> One thing I thought I would toss out here is that the in-game ads > > >>>> are > > >>>> > > >>> purely > > >>> > > >>>> client-side and servers (and server admins and operators) have > > >>>> nothing > > >>>> > > >>> to do > > >>> > > >>>> with providing them, control over them or with being involved with > > >>>> > > >>> promoting > > >>> > > >>>> the ads or the ad content. > > >>>> > > >>>> Even though I personally don't enjoy having non-original content on > > >>>> maps while I play, this issue is similar to player sprays except the > > >>>> ads will never have any porn or abusive content. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >>>> archives, > > >>>> > > >>> please visit: > > >>> > > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >>>> archives, > > >>>> > > >>> please visit: > > >>> > > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >>> please visit: > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- __--__-- > > >> > > >> Message: 7 > > >> From: "Jason O. Washburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: <[email protected]> > > >> Subject: RE: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them? > > >> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 12:31:51 -0600 > > >> Reply-To: [email protected] > > >> > > >> :-( > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roman Hatsiev > > >> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 11:10 AM > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them? > > >> > > >> > > >> The only difference is that in our case Valve sells tickets to our > > >> theaters... > > >> > > >> On 08/03/07, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Commercials in movie theaters have nothing to do with the movie > > >>> theater, they're built into the film (client side). Without the movie > > >>> > > >>> theaters Hollywood has no outlet for their films and without the > > >>> servers Valve has no outlet for their MP games. > > >>> > > >>> Bottom line... your server is the equivalent of the screen in a movie > > >>> theater. Valve's movie is playing on your projector. There is only > > >>> one Valve but an almost limitless number of projectors... those > > >>> currently in operation and those that will take their place in the > > >>> event the current projectors (servers) drop out. > > >>> > > >>> TBH... it's amazing Valve has lasted this long. The original game was > > > > >>> > > >>> so good that it's carried them well past what would normally be > > >>> considered a reasonable product life. Valve must evolve or go the way > > >>> > > >>> of Acclaim Entertainment. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: Kevin Ottalini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:45 PM > > >>> To: [email protected] > > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> One thing I thought I would toss out here is that the in-game ads are > > >>> purely client-side and servers (and server admins and operators) have > > >>> nothing to do with providing them, control over them or with being > > >>> involved with promoting the ads or the ad content. > > >>> > > >>> Even though I personally don't enjoy having non-original content on > > >>> maps while I play, this issue is similar to player sprays except the > > >>> ads will never have any porn or abusive content. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >>> > > >>> please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > > >>> > > >>> please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>> > > >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > >> -- > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/714 - Release Date: > > 3/8/2007 > > >> 10:58 AM > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/714 - Release Date: > > 3/8/2007 > > >> 10:58 AM > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- __--__-- > > >> > > >> Message: 8 > > >> From: Gigabit Nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> To: <[email protected]> > > >> Subject: RE: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them? > > >> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 19:10:52 +0000 > > >> Reply-To: [email protected] > > >> > > >> -- > > >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > >> I'd say it's more like renting a TV & DVD player. > > >> > > >> You buy the movie from Valve, you rent the TV & DVD player from the > > server > > >> > > > = > > > > > >> operators. You can play the Valve movie on the server admins TV &DVD > > >> > > > player= > > > > > >> , but the people who rent you the TV & DVD player can't put ads into > > the > > >> > > > Va= > > > > > >> lve movies. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]> Subject: > > RE: > > >>> > > > = > > > > > >> [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 > > >> > > > 12:43:59 -= > > > > > >> 0500> > Not quite. Valve would be selling tickets to enter the theater > > >> > > > show= > > > > > >> ing> VALVe "movies", once inside they still have to pay us to get into > > >> > > > the>= > > > > > >> theater. So they would be making cash on the entry for the 'theater' > > and> > > >> > > > = > > > > > >> for the ad impressions for those who pay us to host their "movie". I > > hate> > > >> > > > = > > > > > >> metaphors.> > -----Original Message-----> From: Cc2iscooL > > >> > > > [mailto:cc2iscool= > > > > > >> @gmail.com]> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:18 PM> To: > > >> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] = > > > > > >> ftware.com> Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?> > > > --> > > >> > > > [= > > > > > >> Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] No, actually they're> > > >> > > > putti= > > > > > >> ng the ads in our theaters.> > Selling tickets to the theaters would > > >> > > > equate= > > > > > >> to Valve charging a fee for> people to join servers.> > Just wanted to > > > > >> > > > poi= > > > > > >> nt that one out. =3D)> > On 3/8/07, Roman Hatsiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > > wrote= > > > > > >> :> >> > The only difference is that in our case Valve sells tickets to > > >> > > > our>= > > > > > >> > theaters...> >> > On 08/03/07, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote:> > > >> = > > >> > Commercials in movie theaters have nothing to do with the movie> > > > > > > >> > > > the= > > > > > >> ater,> > they're built into the film (client side). Without the movie > > >> > > > theat= > > > > > >> ers> > Hollywood has no outlet for their films and without the servers > > >> > > > Valv= > > > > > >> e> > has no outlet for their MP games.> > >> > > Bottom line... your > > >> > > > server= > > > > > >> is the equivalent of the screen in a> > > movie> > theater. Valve's > > movie > > >> > > > = > > > > > >> is playing on your projector. There is only> > one Valve but an almost > > >> > > > limi= > > > > > >> tless number of projectors... those> > currently in operation and those > > > > >> > > > tha= > > > > > >> t will take their place in the> > event the current projectors > > (servers) > > >> > > > dr= > > > > > >> op out.> > >> > > TBH... it's amazing Valve has lasted this long. The > > >> > > > origi= > > > > > >> nal game> > > was> > so good that it's carried them well past what > > would > > >> > > > no= > > > > > >> rmally be> > considered a reasonable product life. Valve must evolve or > > go > > >> > > > = > > > > > >> the way> > of Acclaim Entertainment.> > >> > >> > > -----Original > > >> > > > Message--= > > > > > >> ---> > > From: Kevin Ottalini [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: > > >> > > > W= > > > > > >> ednesday, March 07, 2007 9:45 PM> > > To: [email protected]> > > > > > > >> > > > = > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Ingame adds, who will remove them?> > >> > >> > > > > One > > >> > > > t= > > > > > >> hing I thought I would toss out here is that the in-game ads> > > are> > > > > > >> > > > pu= > > > > > >> rely> > > client-side and servers (and server admins and operators) > > have> > > >> = > > >> > nothing> > to do> > > with providing them, control over them or with > > >> > > > bei= > > > > > >> ng involved with> > promoting> > > the ads or the ad content.> > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Eve= > > > > > >> n though I personally don't enjoy having non-original content on> > > > > maps > > >> > > > = > > > > > >> while I play, this issue is similar to player sprays except the> > > > > ads > > >> > > > wi= > > > > > >> ll never have any porn or abusive content.> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > _________________= > > > > > >> ______________________________> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list > > >> > > > preferen= > > > > > >> ces, or view the list> > > archives,> > please visit:> > > > > >> > > > http://list.valv= > > > > > >> esoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> > >> > > > > >> > > > _____________________________= > > > > > >> __________________> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or > > >> > > > view= > > > > > >> the list> > > archives,> > please visit:> > > > > >> > > > http://list.valvesoftware.co= > > > > > >> m/mailman/listinfo/hlds> > >> >> > > > >> > > > ________________________________________= > > > > > >> _______> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > > >> > > > arc= > > > > > >> hives,> > please visit:> > > > >> > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/h= > > > > > >> lds> >> --> > _______________________________________________> To > > >> > > > unsubscri= > > > > > >> be, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives,> please > > visit:> > > >> > > > = > > > > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> > > > > >> > > > __________________= > > > > > >> _____________________________> To unsubscribe, edit your list > > preferences, > > >> > > > = > > > > > >> or view the list archives, please visit:> > > >> > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mai= > > > > > >> lman/listinfo/hlds > > >> _________________________________________________________________ > > >> News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. 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