-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] How do you solve a 3rd party problem?
You hire it :) Sorry I just thought I would add a little humor to the boil, maybe help bring the fire down a bit.... Dustin Tuft > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] > Source Multiplayer Update Released> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:33:25 +1100> > > --> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]> Alfred was the creator > of Adminmod.> > I don't think he has anything to do with it now.> > On > 3/15/07, Megatron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > I think Alfred was the > creator of Adminmod. Remember the good ol' days?> >> >> > -----Original > Message-----> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Edward Luna> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:09 AM> > To: > [email protected]> > Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Multiplayer Update > Released> >> > We'll assume for now that Valve will be responsive to > reasonable requests.> > Lets petition Valve in a reasonable manner and > request that they publicly> > state their position.> >> > Valve... are you > prejudiced against 3rd party plugin developers... and if> > so, why?> >> >> > > -----Original Message-----> > From: Chris Barnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:09 AM> > To: [email protected]> > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Multiplayer Update Released> >> >> > Ah...best > that Valve removes the API for developers, that will fix it.> >> > That's > what they've been doing for the past year. If functionality has> > been> > > causing a problem where it can be exploited, they'll remove it without> > > warning, rather than fix it.> >> > "r_screenoverlays" anyone?> >> > What > bothers Valve, is that the entire developer community, doesn't give a> > > stuff as to what's in the API and what isn't. That's why there is these> > > silly games going on where they are hellbent on punishing everyone for> > > using> > plugins (Like any of them) that don't use the Valve API.> >> > Us > server operators are just pawns in the game between Valve and the 3rd> > > party plugin developers.> >> > People who don't know what they are talking > about, want us all to blame> > the> > 3rd party plugin developers. But hold > on boys and girls, if ALL the> > plugins> > apart from Matties, don't use the > Valve API, what does that say about> > Valves> > API?> >> > Come on Valve, > "The games up". Please just give us a 1 week beta cycle and> > everyone will > be happy.> >> > Chris Barnett> > U75CLAN.> >> >> >> >> > -----Original > Message-----> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Dan E> > Sent: 14 March 2007 13:46> > To: > [email protected]> > Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Multiplayer Update > Released> >> > What bothers me is that they change parts of the API without > notifying the> > developers. That's what mainly breaks said plugins. Why is > it so hard to> > give them a heads up as to what is changing, or perhaps > letting them get a> > chance to code an update before the mass scramble to > fix it upon an> > update?> >> > Valve's servers are bettered by plugins. I > think that's evident by the> > amount of complaints upon an update and the > sheer number of servers> > running> > these plugins.> >> > -----Original > Message-----> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Edward Luna> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:28 AM> > To: > [email protected]> > Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Multiplayer Update > Released> >> > Hmmm... not sure about the "Dark Forces" thing but I don't > blame Valve one> > bit for not concerning themselves with 3rd party stuff. It > truly is the> > responsibility of the third parties to react to what Valve > does... not the> > other way around. I don't think the third parties object > to following> > Valves lead... third party responsibility is not really the > issue here.> >> > Valve has taken on the rather formidable task of being > responsible for> > every> > server out there when they make updates > "mandatory" and distribute the> > updates at startup or force customers to > run an update tool. I don't envy> > Valve their burden but it is self > inflicted. A selected community> > comprised> > of a representative > collection of various platforms and environments for> > the> > purpose of > testing updates before having them shot into the veins of the> > entire > community would go a long way to reversing the cycle of Valve> > updates... > servers crash. Lets face it, if there weren't a problem we> > wouldn't be > having this discussion so lets identify the issues without> > prejudice and > resolve the problem.> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Chris > Barnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:41 AM> > > To: [email protected]> > Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Multiplayer > Update Released> >> >> > Call me a cynic, but don't be too surprised if they > take you up on that> > offer, forcing you to sign an NDA and to test the > thing with NO PLUGINS.> >> > And we'll all still be back where we were.> >> > > There's a whole army of "Valve Vanilla" lovers out there, who have Valve> > > surrounded and they will stop at nothing to make sure that nothing is done> > > to help to situation. They see any third party plugins as an insult to the> > > games and they believe they have the right to see 40,000 vanilla source> > > servers in their game browser with no plugins.> >> > Believe me, these people > WILL petition moan, moan and moan some more at> > Valve as to why they are > giving ANYONE who runs ANY third party server> > plugin the time of day.> >> > > You have been warned.> >> > For me, it's a pubic beta, with no strings > attached. That way, at least> > the> > plugin developers can patch their > plugins against what Valve has on their> > radar.> >> > Let's be clear about > what we want here please. Because if we let the> > vanilla> > crowd get away > with it, will still have thousands of broken servers and> > they> > will be > making the case to Valve that the plugin servers are more trouble> > than > they are worth.> >> > Be careful my brothers in arms...there are dark forces > at work here......> >> > Chris Barnett> > U75CLAN> >> > -----Original > Message-----> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Michael Jordan> > Sent: 14 March 2007 01:34> > To: > [email protected]> > Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Multiplayer Update > Released> >> > I would love to see a separate list or distribution system > that is> > dedicated> > to game server operators who volunteer as testers for > the updates before> > they are released. It would work out more of the bugs > and cut down on a> > lot> > of bad feelings toward Valve. It would certainly > make me feel a lot more> > comfortable when I run the hldsupdate tool.> >> >> > >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL > PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian M. Frain> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 4:59 > PM> > To: [email protected]> > Subject: RE: [hlds] Source > Multiplayer Update Released> >> > Hear Hear!> >> >> > -----Original > Message-----> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Edgar Ortega> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:01 PM> > To: > [email protected]> > Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Multiplayer Update > Released> >> > This is probbaly one of the most truthful statements that has > been said> > time> > and time again:> >> > "The craziest thing is that the > entire server community is willing to help> > but Valve apparently prefers to > go it alone."> >> > Valve has one of the most faithful and trusting > communities around, we> > offer> > our time, services, and even our money to > Valve and its products to help> > make their games and our gaming communities > be strong and fruitful. We> > co-exist, and because of that we are always > willing to and would rather> > help> > out with betas than get faulty > patches. I hope this is one of the last> > times> > these kinds of incidents > occurs, because as of late, I am reading of more> > and more server ops just > saying to hell with Steam and HLDS altogether and> > it seems the primary > reason is the "big balls" attitude that Valve seems> > to> > have with > pushing shit down the very same throats of the server ops and> > the> > > communities that have helped make your company what it is to-date. Its not> > > an encouraging thing to read.> >> > - [Me109] PenDragon> >> > -----Original > Message-----> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Edward Luna> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:26 PM> > To: > [email protected]> > Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Multiplayer Update > Released> >> > What Valve is trying to do is simply not doable. You cannot > make updates> > "required" but not have tested them on every platform they > run on. We> > have> > all seen this over and over again... Valve issues > updates and working> > servers crash. I'm no trashing Valve... they are > exceptionally good at> > being reactive to the problems their updates > create... what they need to> > be> > is more proactive. The craziest thing is > that the entire server community> > is willing to help but Valve apparently > prefers to go it alone.> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Gigabit > Nick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:39 AM> > > To: [email protected]> > Subject: RE: [hlds] Source Multiplayer > Update Released> >> >> > --> >> > [ Picked text/plain from > multipart/alternative ] I second that.> >> > Anyone got a working GarrysMod > server after the update?, We run two one> > Windows 2003 and both are bust.> > >> > All together now... BETAS HELP TO STOP RELEASES BREAKING SERVERS.> >> >> > > _> >> > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, > edit your list preferences, or view the list archives,> > please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> >> > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives,> > please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> > --> >> > No virus > found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: > 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/721 - Release Date: 3/13/2007> > 4:51 PM> > >> >> > --> >> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG > Free Edition.> > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/721 - Release > Date: 3/13/2007> > 4:51 PM> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives,> > please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> >> > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives,> > please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> >> > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives,> > please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives,> > please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> >> > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives,> > please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> >> > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives,> > please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives,> > please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> >> > > _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives,> > please visit:> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds> >> --> > > _______________________________________________> To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
